On 16 May 2017, at 04:44, Russell Standish wrote:
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:41:04AM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote:
We had extended arguments starting from "Why isn't
the-rock-that-computes everything conscious?" I think your analysis
above needs to be extended to cover that. You seem to take
"perception" as a given attribute of the machine, but perception is
part of consciousness which we're trying to explain. At the very
least I think perception already requires a first-person distinct
from, but interacting with an environment.
The rocks that computes everything can be dealt with by noting that
any such supported computationalist consciousness cannot supervene on
the rock, as a different consciousness is also so supported without
change in the state of the rock.
I make exactly this argument in my as yet unpublished paper "MGA
revisited", and note that consciousness does not supervene on the
universal dovetailer either.
For some reason, people seem to believe that if a consciousness
supervenes on A, then it must also supervene on the combined system
A+B, for an arbitrary system B.
We have discuss this before. I don't understand. If C supervenes on A,
it means only that a change in C necessitates a change in A. So if C
supervenes on A, it has to supervene on A + B, because a change in C
will necessitate a change in A + B.
The universal dovetailer might not be a thinking entity, but the
consciousness of any thinking entities still supervenes on UD*.
Bruno
These sorts of examples, the rock that
computes all, the universal dovetailer and IMHO the classroom (see the
paper) are counterexamples to that belief.
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