On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 09:47:14AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 16 May 2017, at 04:44, Russell Standish wrote: > > >On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:41:04AM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> > >>We had extended arguments starting from "Why isn't > >>the-rock-that-computes everything conscious?" I think your analysis > >>above needs to be extended to cover that. You seem to take > >>"perception" as a given attribute of the machine, but perception is > >>part of consciousness which we're trying to explain. At the very > >>least I think perception already requires a first-person distinct > >>from, but interacting with an environment. > >> > > > >The rocks that computes everything can be dealt with by noting that > >any such supported computationalist consciousness cannot supervene on > >the rock, as a different consciousness is also so supported without > >change in the state of the rock. > > > >I make exactly this argument in my as yet unpublished paper "MGA > >revisited", and note that consciousness does not supervene on the > >universal dovetailer either. > > > >For some reason, people seem to believe that if a consciousness > >supervenes on A, then it must also supervene on the combined system > >A+B, for an arbitrary system B. > > We have discuss this before. I don't understand. If C supervenes on > A, it means only that a change in C necessitates a change in A. So > if C supervenes on A, it has to supervene on A + B, because a change > in C will necessitate a change in A + B.
You are making an unwarranted assumption that A and B are independent. Just because A changes, does not entail that A+B changes. In these counter examples, B covaries with A such that A+B does not change when C changes. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Senior Research Fellow hpco...@hpcoders.com.au Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
