On 12 Nov 2017, at 22:40, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 13/11/2017 5:15 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 12 Nov 2017, at 07:57, Bruce Kellett wrote:
If that means anything at all, it is still non-local because Bruno
has to rule out the worlds in which angular momentum is not
conserved; he has not shown how he can do this. If it is simply
that you cannot find yourself in a world in which AM is not
conserved, then that is just an unabashed appeal to magic, since
such worlds have not been shown not to exist.
I just assume quantum mechanics without collapse here.
When I assume Mechanism, we are in a different field, and there at
first sight we get total indeterminacy, super-non locality, etc.,
and the hard things is to explain the local appearance of
determinism, locality, etc. With mechanism we have the quantum
logic, the symmetries, but the Bell's theorem is already
untractable. The interest reside in getting a unify picture of
qualia and quanta, albeit in a platonic metaphysics, excluding the
usual Aristotelian one.
In other words, you have no idea how to explain the violations of
Bell's inequality -- in many worlds or any other account of QM.
In mechanism, the status is decided, but still untractable.
It is a pity you continue to claim that many worlds eliminates the
need for non-locality.
Sorry but you continue to mix two different theories.
And quantum mechanics is a deterministic local theory. The non
locality and the indeterminacies are explained to be apparent in each
branche, but without any action at a distance, as you can see when you
develop the experiment in all branches (that is with theuniversal
wave).
We have discussed this, and it seemed to me you were OK with the fact
that QM does not imply physical action at a distance (even withot
transmission of information),. All I said is that QM does not imply
that. And it is open problem if Digital Mechanism is true.
Bruno
Bruce
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