> On 22 Apr 2018, at 23:14, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > On 4/22/2018 7:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> The problem is that when people oppose science and religion, they tend to >> forget that “Primary matter” is also a “religion”, and eventually they take >> a religion for granted without knowing. > > You keep saying that, but it's just smearing your philosophical opponents. > Just because Patricia Churchland or Daniel Dennett and Anil Seth think > material processes can explain consciousness doesn't mean they think matter > is primary, or even have the concept of primary matter.
What would be their alternate primitive notions? > They are generally referring to matter like brains and computers which are > many levels of composition above quarks, electrons, or strings. But they believe that those electron exist primitively, or are composed of things existing primitively. > And every one of them would instantly reject the idea of worshiping matter or > deriving moral precepts from the Standard Model. Yes. But we discuss in the metaphysical or theological science. Denote even say that physics has no conceptual problem, and his own theory assumed brain. Not that brain could be a number illusion or comes from anything non material. > So "the problem" is in your imagination. You complain of fundamentalism; but > you adopt a fundamentalism of computation. Not at all. I do not even claim that mechanism is true. Only : 1) that mechanism entails Theology of Plato and refute the theology of Aristotle (the belief in primary matter, or the confusion between primary matter and matter). 2) as mechanism entails a quantum many-histories type of reality, experimental evidences favours mechanism (immaterialism) on materialism (for which there has never been any evidence at all). Bruno > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
