On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 6:41 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>> >> Today "you" means the man who is currently experiencing H, tomorrow "you" >> means the man who is currently experiencing W and remembers experiencing H >> yesterday; and tomorrow "you" also means the man who is currently >> experiencing M and remembers experiencing H yesterday. And please don't >> rebut with your standard "from the 1p" rubber stamp reply unless it is made >> clear which "THE 1p" is being referred to. > > > *>That is simply not true. The first person “I” means always the H-guy,* > OK, but what do you mean by "the H-guy"? I can tell you exactly what I mean by "the H-guy", somebody who remembers being in Helsinki yesterday. Can you be as precise? > >> >>> >> >>> >>> so which ONE is Mr. You?? >> >> >> *>>> If I could answer that question, there would, of course, no be >> any first person indeterminacy. * >> > > > >> > If Bruno can not answer that question then Bruno has absolutely no > business ever using the word "you" in any thought experiment and all the > grand sounding term " > first person indeterminacy > " means is that gibberish questions have no answers. > > *>No, you are only setting up a trap. If I could answer your question in > one word, then and only then the first person indeterminacy would be > gibberish. * > So in a world that contains people duplicating machines Bruno is unable to say what the personal pronoun "You" means, therefore in Brunospeak we could replace the question "what will you see?" with "what will flobkneegob see?" because both "you" and "flobkneegob" have exactly the same meaning in Bruno's native language, and that would be none at all. >> >> >> What the M-guy says or doesn't say is irrelevant. > > > *>Why?* > Because if the W-guy is seeing Washington, and if the W-guy remembers being the H-guy yesterday, and if "the H-guy" means remembering being in Helsinki yesterday, then that's the end of the story; the H-guy ended up seeing Washington just as I predicted. The fact that the M-guy (who is also the H-guy) saw something different will not change what the W-guy is seeing right now nor what he remembers seeing yesterday. And if something is copied that means there are 2 of them, and there is nothing contradictory about 2 things seeing 2 things. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
