> On 29 Sep 2018, at 20:59, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > On 9/29/2018 12:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 28 Sep 2018, at 21:00, agrayson2...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 6:49:37 PM UTC, kujawski...@gmail.com >>> <http://gmail.com/> wrote: >>> >>> Thank you everybody for your responses. >>> >>> Bruno Marchal I looked at your statement, they are very interesting but >>> some very good neruoscientists argue that brain is not like computer >>> Here for example (4min video) Edelman: >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmyfQY4TaVc >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmyfQY4TaVc> >>> >>> The question can be turned around. Why would anyone think a brain is >>> strongly comparable or identical to a computer? It has some superficial >>> similarities such as being able to store memory and logical functions >>> (which are simulated by a computer), but its cells are not two state >>> systems like computer transistors. AG >> >> >> A bacteria is already a computer (at least), and a neurone is already a >> rather sophisticated society of bacteria and viruses, plausibly enough. So, >> a society of billions of neurons should not be compared to transistors. The >> substitution level is plausibly much lower than the level of neurons. > > It has been estimated that simulating a single neuron requires a > micro-controller like an AVR, which contains 80,000 transistors. > > <blicjehabnofhiib.png>
Nice illustration. Yes, a neurone is already an incredibly complex machinery. I bet that it would need even much more than 80.000 transistors. Today we know that the glial cells do participate in the information treatment. They don’t use axons, but communicate through chemical wave. Our substitution level, assuming mechanism, might be the atomic level, in fact the electronically level, near the Heisenberg uncertainty position treshold. At least if we want to survive integrally, with our precise memory and character. Bruno > > Brent > >> >> But we don’t know in Nature anything which at some level is not emulable by >> a computer, except for controversial notion like >> >> A) primary matter (if that exists, it is not emulable by a computer) >> B) the reduction of the wave packet (if that exists, it is provably not >> emulable by a computer). >> >> But there are no evidence neither for A) nor for B). >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> Please give me your thought on that. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >>> <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >> <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
