> On 21 Oct 2018, at 21:59, Philip Thrift <cloudver...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 11:30:54 AM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 5:22:20 PM UTC+2, Philip Thrift wrote: > > BTW, on "non-relations [which] are the non-mathematical objects and they (or > at least some of them) may be the qualities of consciousness (qualia)", that > is what I try to address in > > https://codicalist.wordpress.com/2018/10/14/experience-processing/ > <https://codicalist.wordpress.com/2018/10/14/experience-processing/> > > where there is information processing (which is all mathematical processing) > and something else: experience processing. > > - pt > > I would say that any description is relational and therefore > mathematical/logical. When you describe an object you always define/present > it in relations to other objects - in relations to its parts or properties. > You can't describe the object itself, only give it a label. So you can't > describe qualities of consciousness themselves either. Not sure how you would > "process" them then. > > Is there really a fundamental difference between hardware and software? I > mean, software can be seen as part of hardware: software is a particular > configuration of electron flows in hardware. > > > Mathematics is genre of fiction [ > https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/fictionalism-mathematics/ ], so relations > are fictional. "Processing" relations/mathematics has no real meaning. > > The difference between hardware and software today is somewhat blurred with > synthetic biology, programmable matter, reconfigurable hardware.
Assuming some form of non-mechanism, or non-digital-mechanism. OK. (Well, OK from a purely logical standpoint, but I find premature to invoke non-mechanism, when all available evidence favour mechanism, (consciousness, quantum mechanics, etc.). Bruno > > - pt > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
