> On 10 Mar 2019, at 21:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > > On 3/10/2019 6:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 9 Mar 2019, at 01:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> <everything-list@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/8/2019 2:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>>> Why is the probability not 1.0. Why is there any effect at all in any >>>>> continuation? Why is experience dependent on physics, if it is just a >>>>> matter of timeless arithmetical relations. >>>> Because to get physics you need to be able to make prediction. >>> >>> But why do you need to "get physics". You seem to be arguing backwards >>> from the conclusion you want. You know you need to get physics to make a >>> prediction, otherwise your theory is useless. So then you argue that >>> therefore substituting for brain parts is necessary because that makes >>> "getting physics" necessary. >> >> I don’t understand. What do you mean by “substituting brain parts is >> necessary”. It is my working hypothesis. > > But then you reach a contradiction that brain parts don't exist and are > irrelevant to thought.
You confuse a brain made of matter with a brain made of primary matter. That confusion is correct in the theology/metaphysics of Aristotle. But is invalid if the brain/body is Turing emulable. > >> It is the exactly same hypothesis made by Darwin, and most scientists since. >> That physics has to be recovered from arithmetic is shown to be a >> consequence of that theory. And the proofs I have given is constructive, so >> it explains how to recover physics from arithmetic. Most of the weirdness of >> quantum physics becomes indisputable arithmetic facts. In fact, the >> classical, or quasi classical part of physics is far more difficult to be >> derived, but it has still to be derivable, unless Mechanism is false (in >> which case we are back at the start). >> >> Keep in mind that with Mechanism, physicalism is already refuted. > > A tautology: With Communism, capitalism is already refuted. ? Mechanism is only the idea that there is no magic operating in the brain. Many people confuse Mechanism and Materialism, and strong-atheism is used to employ Mechanism, in the (weakly) materialist frame to avoid dualism and to put the mind-body problem under the rug. So it is an important point that when we look closer, we see that Mechanism is incompatible with materialism and physicalism. > >> With physicalism, you need a god to select a computation, or a collection of >> computation, to make a prediction. But if that God exists, you cannot say >> that you survive a digital substitution of the brain *qua computation”. You >> can still say yes to a doctor, invoking the strangest magical abilities of >> your god or another. >> >> If you doubt this, just tell me how A Nature, or a Primary Matter, or any >> God, select the computation which all occurs, are executed in the (sigma_1) >> arithmetical reality. >> >> If you argue that the computation in arithmetic are not real, you again >> invoke your god. The word “real” has to be avoid in science, especially in >> theology when done with the scientific method. > > But you invoke your god to justify your argument for your god: In fact, the > classical, or quasi classical part of physics is far more difficult to be > derived, but it has still to be derivable, unless Mechanism is false (in > which case we are back at the start). Mechanism use a God, which is just the sigma_1 truth, in which everybody believe already. Then, I prove that If Mechanism is true, physics becomes a branch of arithmetic “seen from inside” (using the Gödel-Kleene recursion theorem to define precisely that arithmetical “inside-view”. Are you able to doubt the existence of a PRIMARY physical universe? Do you see what that means? Bruno > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
