> On 17 Apr 2019, at 08:18, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List 
> <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> It's actually the other way around: biology is realized by certain processes 
> happening in consciousness. Biology is just an external appearance of 
> internal processes happening in consciousness.


I totally agree. More exactly, the classical (paltonist) universal machine 
agree with you, except it makes precise the assumption of 
numbers/combiantors/machine, and the consciousness is the consciousness of the 
universal machine.

It is like:

Number => self-reference (1p = consciousness) => “interfering dream/histories” 
=> matter => human consciousness

Bruno




> 
> On Wednesday, 17 April 2019 02:29:24 UTC+3, Brent wrote:
> 
> What makes them "biological"?  Do they have to be made of amino acids?  
> nuclei acids?  do they have to be powered by a phosphate cycle?  What 
> makes one bunch of biological molecules conscious and another very 
> similar bunch dead, or anesthesized? 
> 
> The only coherent answer is that consciousness is realized by certain 
> information processing...independent of the molecules instantiating the 
> process. 
> 
> Brent 
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