> On 24 Apr 2019, at 09:54, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > So ultimately they are not "artificial", but natural, grown through > biological processes, not assembled in a factory. Then they are natural and > are not made of atoms, but are made by invisible natural processes that are > also responsible for the workings of consciousness. I think this fact must be > stated out clearly: biology is not made out of atoms! I think this is what > confuses most people. People somehow take for granted that biology is just > atoms, and thus they don't understand how consciousness can be immaterial if > the brain is material. That's the whole point: the brain is NOT material. > Neither biology generally. The development of a being is not lead by chemical > reactions, but chemical reactions are lead by invisible forces such that they > implement the shape of the being.
That is coherent with mechanism. But you need to be cautious when saying things like brain does not exist? You just mean that brain exist phenomenologically. Now if you are OK that there are things responsible for the working of consciousness, note that the mathematical reality (a tiny part of it) seems to be a good candidate for that. Only materialist needs a magic god, or make matter into some magic god, capable of selecting some computation in arithmetic, where both theory and evidence are that there is no such selection. Materialism in the mechanist frame is the same “error” than introducing a collapse in quantum mechanics. Bruno > > On Wednesday, 24 April 2019 10:12:49 UTC+3, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > This is the whole point: > > The neuronal cells being replaced in the brain can't be made of anything. The > replacements (synthetic neurons) have to be made of atoms/molecules such that > they that replicate the actual chemical processing abilities of the cells > they are replacing. > > - pt > > On Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 1:46:09 AM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote: > This is like saying: If you replace part of the computer screen with drawings > made on a piece of paper, what does this indicate ? Well... it indicates that > on the part replaced with the piece of paper, nothing will happen anymore. > > On Wednesday, 24 April 2019 01:41:14 UTC+3, stathisp wrote: > > If we can replace part of the brain with an electronic component and the > person continues experiencing normal consciousness, what does this indicate? > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
