> On 24 Apr 2019, at 15:08, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List 
> <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> This is not the reason why AI is not conscious. The reason is that AI doesn't 
> even exist, is just an idea in consciousness. Consciousness which of course 
> is not made out of atoms. We are not made out of atoms. "Atoms" are just 
> ideas in consciousness.

And consciousness is just an immaterial but an indubitable truth that all 
self-referential number know, despite they cannot define it, nor prove it to 
another. But Löbian (rich enough) machine can know that non communicability and 
non definability.

With mechanism, your “primary consciousness” can be identified with 
(arithmetical) truth, but people need to understand that such truth is not 
definable, although it is “meta-definable”. That requires some knowledge of 
mathematical logic.

Bruno 




> 
> On Wednesday, 24 April 2019 15:50:12 UTC+3, John Clark wrote:
>  Saying an AI can't be conscious because its brain is dry and hard and not 
> wet and squishy is as silly as saying another human can't be conscious if his 
> skin color is different from mine.
> 
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