> On 26 Apr 2019, at 19:28, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
> <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/26/2019 12:03 AM, cloudver...@gmail.com <mailto:cloudver...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 7:28:52 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/25/2019 1:42 PM, cloud...@gmail.com <javascript:> wrote: 
>> > The one-and-only code of nature is a hidden entity. We may 
>> > "approximate" it with our own code (like the Marcolli code above), but 
>> > unless there is some sort of unforeseen revolution coming, that's the 
>> > way things will always be. 
>> 
>> Right.?? But the approximation is at the level of predictions 
>> approximating observable facts.?? At the level of ontology our theory can 
>> be completely off. 
>> 
>> Brent 
>> 
>> But off of what?
> 
> Off that of a better theory we've found.
> 
>> 
>> What specific ontological entity or entities of any science in 2019 does one 
>> claim as final - i.e., that ontology is the "true" one???
>> 
>> If none, should we expect that in some future year we will find some final 
>> ontology?
>> 
>> Or: If it is a final ontology, we found it by "luck", and we don't know if 
>> it's final even if it is.
> 
> Right.??

OK.



> Even if we find the correct theory of everything we still won't be able to 
> know it's correct with certainty.??

Indeed. Provably so in the theology of the universal machine.




> That's how science differs from theology...it's never certain.??

That’s how science differ from pseudo-science, including pseudo-theology, which 
is what you get when we separate theology from science. That separation is done 
by tyran to exploit people, only.




> Even "facts" and "data" are not certain.??

Yes.



> But they are more certain, in the sense of remaining stable while theories 
> explaining them change.

Hopefully. 

Bruno



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