On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 2:06 AM Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> *with Mechanism* [...] >> >> >> >> Bruno, you use that word a lot, and I mean a LOT, but I'm still not >> sure what you mean. I don't want you to give me your definition I want you >> to give me examples of what you think it is and what you think it is not. >> Let's start with these, no need for long explanations, a simple yes or no >> will do and will give me an idea of what you're talking about: >> Is a cuckoo clock a mechanism? > > > > *I have never use the expression “a mechanism”.* > That is no doubt part of the problem. Instead of yet another long winded vague metaphysical definition give me some examples of mechanism so I know what the hell you're talking about. Start by answering my simple clear yes or no questions. * > A cuckoo clock is an informal not well defined notion, because it is > unclear what you mean by this* > Oh for christ sake! You don't know what I mean by cuckoo clock?? > *I would need to define “a mechanism”,* > You're asking me?! You're the one who constantly uses the word not me, I know what I mean by it but I'm trying to figure out what, if anything, you mean. And by dodging my simple crystal clear question you have confirmed my suspicion that you don't mean anything by it. >> Is a roulette wheel a mechanism? Is a Tritium atom with a half life of >> 12.32 years a mechanism? Is the multiplication table a mechanism? > > > *> If you define them in such a way that they are Turing emulable, then > they are “mechanism”, * > How on earth is a Tritium atom with a half life of 12.32 years Turing emulable? *> but I use the term “programs” or “digital machine” instead. * > I don't care what bafflegab you like to use, you talk about mechanism constantly and your definitions are useless so I'm trying to figure out what you mean by way of example, but you are unable to answer a simple clear question with a simple yes or no answer, and the excuse for your inability is comically ridiculous. You claim you don't know what a cuckoo clock is! > By “Mechanism” I have always mean [...] > Baloney. You don't always mean anything by it! I just gave specific examples where you don't. If you want to prove me wrong then in your next post in response to this don't use the word "definition" anywhere in it and instead convey your meaning (assuming you have one) by means of example. *> “the mechanist hypothesis” which is the conjunction of “Yes doctor” (= > my consciousness is invariant for some digital functional substitution) + > the Church-Turing thesis.* > Don't talk to me about the Church-Turing thesis until you figure our what a cuckoo clock is. John K Clark > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0-8n428ZUTsD_fPySWaM1xseQMM1wPB_yQtAHJaZOeQQ%40mail.gmail.com.
