On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 8:53:34 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
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> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 5:32 AM Bruno Marchal <[email protected] 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
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> >> it is quite clear that serious metaphysics is not very serious. Bozo 
> >> metaphysics 
>>> would be a better term.
>>
>>
>> *> That shows how much you take metaphysics seriously.*
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> I give metaphysics all the respect it deserves. 
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>> *The fact is that you seem to assume Mechanism and Materialism, and that 
>> is inconsistent.*
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> If I knew what you mean by Mechanism and Materialism I'd know if I assume 
> them or not,
> John K Clark
>



Victor Stenger wrote in his Scientific American essay of how physicists are 
"doing" metaphysics even if they don't realize it.

What Victor Stenger called "platonism": Physicists find some model that 
"works". And then they make make truth statements in the terminology of the 
vocabulary (e.g. "quantum states") of that model which claims the actual 
reality (existence) of entities those terms refer to.


But while I know what Turing Machines are, I still don't know what 
"Mechanism"s are.

@philipthrift 

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