On 6/26/2019 7:18 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Tue, Jun 25, 2019, at 00:38, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 6:24 AM Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]
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Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 22:00, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
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On 6/24/2019 12:56 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 20:52, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything
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What is "ordered"? A sample is just a sample, it has no
order. If quantum immortality is true, then you must
exist at all ages. And a sample from that distribution
is unlikely to find you young. Sure, if you condition
on being young, then you will see young people around
you...because whether you are young or not you will see
young people around you. The problem is that YOU are
most likely to be old.
The thing is you had to be young first. You're talking with
ASSA in mind. ASSA is nonsense.
So if I go on a thousand mile journey I'm most likely to find
myself within a mile of my starting point. I think THAT's
nonsense.
You're not talking about mwi but a theory where moments exist by
themselves and are selected randomly... That's nonsense.
On the theory of quantum immortality, you have many more old moments
than young moments.
I disagree. Assuming that our timelines are constantly branching and
that for every amount of time t that we live there is some p
probability that we die for some reasons, and worst yet, this
probability increases as we get older, this tree will become sparser
the deeper you go.
If you apply self-sampling reasoning to the observer moments contained
in that tree, even though it may contain very deep branches, the
probability of finding oneself at such as depth becomes astronomically
low.
I would claim that the very assumptions that quantum immortality rests
on make it nonsensical to restrict self-sampling to a single timeline.
Yes, I see that point. But if you have at least one timeline that is
immortal, i.e. infinite, it can have higher measure than the sum of all
those finite timelines...unless they are infinite in number(?). And as
I understand quantum immortality, almost every time line is infinite.
Brent
Telmo.
If it is nonsense that this means that you are more likely to find
yourself old, then this is the same nonsense that underlies any
account of quantum phenomena in terms of self-location on some branch
of the wave function or the other.
Bruce
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