On 7/22/2019 9:31 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:


On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 12:07, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> wrote:



    On 7/22/2019 6:19 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:

        You might wish to maintain this theory, but you, yourself,
        have directly contradicted it by saying that our sense of
        self depends on the inputs to the brain. The qualification
        "directly" adds nothing but obfuscation.


    The inputs to the brain affect the brain state, and our
    experiences depend on the brain state. If a particular brain
    state could be implemented in the absence of inputs, the
    experience would be the same as if the inputs were there. Do you
    disagree with this?

    I disagree with it.  Experiences are not states, they're processes
    and the processes include the inputs.  Probably you can have
    experiences without sensory input, although as I recall when
    sensory deprivation research was popular it was found that after a
    half-hour or less one's thoughts tended to enter a closed loop.


Hallucinations are experiences in the absence of the usual input.

How do you know that?  Why aren't they just unusual responses to the input?

Brent

Hallucinations can be very realistic, which is one reason why schizophrenia is such a terrible illness.

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