> On 8 Sep 2019, at 19:00, Philip Thrift <cloudver...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 11:43:12 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > On 9/8/2019 3:51 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 5:40:55 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> > On 7 Sep 2019, at 07:14, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> > <everyth...@googlegroups.com <>> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On 9/6/2019 9:51 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> I would put "Horganism" another way. >> >> >> >> Science tells stories/theories, and some are successful in their >> >> application. But we don't know if any of the stories are the final ones >> >> to be told, or even close to being final. (They probably are not.) There >> >> is no settled story of gravity yet, much less consciousness. One reads >> >> about a new story of gravity in science news every week, it seems. >> >> >> >> David Chalmers' conclusion is ... >> >> >> >> "I think that the Hegelian [dialectical] argument gives good reason to >> >> take both panpsychism and panprotopsychism very seriously. If we can find >> >> a reasonable solution to the combination problem for either, this view >> >> would immediately become the most promising solution to the mind–body >> >> problem. So the combination problem deserves serious and sustained >> >> attention." >> >> - http://consc.net/papers/panpsychism.pdf >> >> <http://consc.net/papers/panpsychism.pdf> >> > >> > Zero predictive power and it's not clear that it's consistent with the >> > rest of neurophysics. >> >> + zero explanation power at all, also. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> >> >> But panpsychism more explanatory than consciousness from numbers. > > No it isn't. It's just a label. Numbers at least can have complex relations. > > Brent > > > Meaningless, unless to someone who is a member of an occult Pythagorean cult. > > Numbers map to lambda expressions, and functions and relation can all be > expressed in lambda calculus. > > To say that consciousness is a lambda expression is more of a spiritual > belief than consciousness is constituted by matter.
The lambda-expression explains already that consciousness cannot be attached to anything 3p descriptible, be it number, lambda-expression or matter. That is the beauty of it. []p (the honest scientist machine) cannot prove its equivalence with ([]p & p), its soul, or first person point of view. it cannot even give it a name, and when it searches a name, he jumps from surprises to surprises. Computer science is a theory of mind per se. A theory which explains how machine can understand formal and informal languages, how they can learn, what they can prove about themselves, and what they can expect beyond that, and why they are conscious but cannot prove it … without the good willingness of some others or at least one Other. Bruno > > @philipthrift > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5be88f3a-5464-4afa-8799-f1f0ca1f377d%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5be88f3a-5464-4afa-8799-f1f0ca1f377d%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CC70D5C6-FC9A-44D0-9996-6384F2DDC3BD%40ulb.ac.be.
