> On 18 Sep 2019, at 20:55, Alan Grayson <agrayson2...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 12:14:14 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 9/18/2019 3:02 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > I think he means one can replace a human brain and/or nervous system > > with computer microchips and consciousness will be preserved, or > > perfectly simulated so the person who says "Yes doctor", will awake > > from the surgery thinking he/she's the same person, like awakening > > from unremarkable surgery. From my pov, this belief is a huge, huge > > stretch since we can even define what consciousness IS. > > Define in terms of what? We define it ostensively. How would it help > to define it in words? > > Brent > > Ostensively? What do you mean? You know, there are things we call > "dictionaries" where words are defined. If we have no way to define > "consciousness", we have no chance of understanding it. AG
Like with truth, which is undefinable, we can use the notion all the time, without being able to define it. Enough examples can give the intuition, even if we can’t get to the certainty (which in science is just a form of madness). And the, as I show, we can meta-define such concept, and there is a science which provides all the needed tools; it is mathematical logic (alas, very badly taught when taught at all). Bruno > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/7f1b1c9f-4bac-44bb-af9e-6dcb9d30c178%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/7f1b1c9f-4bac-44bb-af9e-6dcb9d30c178%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/335EB49B-4C6C-4883-B123-769F1B0F6476%40ulb.ac.be.
