> On 18 Sep 2019, at 21:30, Alan Grayson <agrayson2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 1:14:36 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 2:55 PM Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
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> > You know, there are things we call "dictionaries" where words are defined.
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> And all those dictionary definitions are made of words, and all those words 
> have there own definitions also in the dictionary, and all those words have 
> there own definitions also in the dictionary, and all those words have there 
> own definitions also in the dictionary.... and round and round we go. Another 
> definition is never going to break is out of that meaningless circle, to do 
> that you're going to need an example. After all, where do you think the 
> people who wrote the dictionary got the knowledge to write their book?
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> > If we have no way to define "consciousness", we have no chance of 
> > understanding it.
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> That's not true for consciousness and its not true for anything else either. 
> Fundamentally our understanding of the world does not come from definitions, 
> it comes from examples.
> 
>  John K Clark
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> Where would science be without its definitions? They are decisive in knowing 
> what we are talking about! And there's more, much more to dictionaries, than 
> you claim. AG 

In science, we never know. A scientist who say “we know that …” is either doing 
an abuse of language for being short, or is a con artist.

Bruno




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