> On 19 Sep 2019, at 03:45, Alan Grayson <agrayson2...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 4:02:09 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > I think he means one can replace a human brain and/or nervous system with > computer microchips and consciousness will be preserved, or perfectly > simulated so the person who says "Yes doctor", will awake from the surgery > thinking he/she's the same person, like awakening from unremarkable surgery. > From my pov, this belief is a huge, huge stretch since we can even define > what consciousness IS. AG > > The really interesting thing about this thread, and it's hugely telling, is > that Bruno refuses (yes, refuses) to say whether my comment is correct, and > if not, what needs to be corrected. AG
And so your inference was wrong. Your definition was correct, albeit imprecise.Indexical Digital Mechanism (aka computationalism) is the assumption that there is a level of description of my brain/body (actually in a very general sense, it could the whole physical universe) such that my consciousness is maintained in a digital emulation of my brain when digitally correct at that level. Non mechanism is basically the idea that no magic events occurs in the brain, nor that a brain, which can be considered as an analog Mechanism, needs all decimal of some non computable reals. Mechanism is used explicitly by Everett, but also arguably by Darwin, molecular genetics, and is a consequence of most known physical laws. The problem is that atheism are used to exploit mechanism to put the mind-body problem under the rug. There would be a physical ontological universe, and we are just material machine. The problem is that a digital machine cannot feel any difference in between being emulated in arithmetic and in a physical reality, and eventually physics has to be come a statistics on all (relative) computations. When the math is done, we recover the quantum formalism, until now, so we can say that the idea that there is a “real” (ontological, primitive,irreductibel, in-ned-to be assumed) physical universe has become speculative, if not superstitious or pseudo-religious. Materialism will be abandonned, probably, just like the “élan vitale” of 18th century. It makes just no sense, besides having zero evidence for it. We must not confuse the physical reality, and the physicalist idea that the physical reality is the fundamental reality from which all the others (biology, psychology, …) would emerge. Assuming Mechanism, it is a theorem in metaphysics/theology that the physical reality has to be explained by machine’s mathematical psycho-theology, and nature confirms this (unless you believe in the magical “physical collapse”). Bruno > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/15140c33-1992-4ff3-9819-d6c2b4a2f990%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/15140c33-1992-4ff3-9819-d6c2b4a2f990%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/B1F45CF5-676C-4035-AC2F-2BE107B5CDD8%40ulb.ac.be.
