On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:34 PM Bruce Kellett <bhkellet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 11:46 AM Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thursday, September 19, 2019, Alan Grayson <agrayson2...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *I don't believe in repeats and I haven't seen any proofs that >>>>>>>>> they occur, just assertions from the usual suspects. AG * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Imagine a movie in 1280x720 pixels, then the same in 1920x1080 >>>>>>>> pixels then in 3840x2160 pixels... always the same but with more and >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> "precision", once you are at the correct substitution level (the level >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> which your consciousness is preserved) then any more precise simulation >>>>>>>> thant the ones at the correct level (which exists by assumption and >>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>> are an infinity of them) does not make any difference, but there are an >>>>>>>> infinity of them (at the correct level and below it). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let's suppose we correspond possible universes with the positive >>>>>>> integers, and also assume there's a property with uncountable outcomes, >>>>>>> such as a continuous mass in some range for any particle of your >>>>>>> choice. No >>>>>>> matter how many countable universes you can imagine, there's no >>>>>>> necessity >>>>>>> for any repeats of the mass of your particle; hence, no repeats of any >>>>>>> universe. AG >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If finite precision of a continuous quantity is used, the outcomes >>>>>> are not uncountable. >>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> Stathis Papaioannou >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I specifically used a COUNTABLE model as a possible counter example of >>>>> the necessary existence of copies. AG >>>>> >>>> >>>> Do you think the number of mental states a human can possibly have is >>>> finite, countably infinite or uncountably infinite? >>>> >>> >>> What I have shown is that it's hypothetically possible to have countable >>> universes wherein there are no repeats, no exact copies. AG >>> >> >> It might be imaginable but there being no duplicates of any finite spaces >> within an infinite space violates the Bekenstein bound and holographic >> principle. >> > > That is simply false. The duplicates could contain no information. The > Bekenstein bound applies to black holes, suggesting that if the infinite > space has a finite matter density, it will close to form a BH. The > holographic principle is a conjecture based on disfavoured string theory. > Both places absolute finite limits on the information content of a finite volume containing finite energy. Is this no longer a favored theory in physics? If a finite region does contain finite information, then in an infinite (homogeneous) space, that same finite pattern will reappear infinitely. This is a consequence also of eternal inflation, and Guth used almost identical language saying everything that can happen happens an infinite number of times. Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUg4-KC4OW-GRKj66ysXpRS7UufBmeeKbMLMD%3D45Pxeeqg%40mail.gmail.com.
