On 7/30/2020 1:02 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Refute this Telmo-
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study
https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext
One viewer here indicated this was not a study-but it is a study
indeed concluding the benefits of Hydro.
Now what do I think? If it works it works, and if it doesn't it doesn't.
That's just false. Some things work on some infections in some people
using some protocols of care.
Brent
Do the opponents of the old drug in question care if it works?
Seemingly no, they are just foaming at the mouth because Orange Dude
endorsed it. If it doesn't work, screw it. If it can help some people,
keep it at hand. What does John Clark care about? Orange Man Bad!
This has zero to do with fighting the Wuhan flu. For the opponents of
Orange Man nothing else matters. Civil (US) Conflict? Next stop! Take
care.
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From: Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.net>
To: John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com>; 'Brent Meeker' via Everything
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Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2020 2:28 pm
Subject: Re: Sharpiegate
Am Do, 30. Jul 2020, um 17:16, schrieb John Clark:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:27 AM Telmo Menezes
<te...@telmomenezes.net <mailto:te...@telmomenezes.net>> wrote:
> /I disapprove of Trump and everything he stands for as much as
you do. I detest him. He is an incompetent narcissist, and his
election as the president of the USA was a nightmare come true./
Truer words were never spoken!
> /I think that the current extreme political polarization of all
things is doing damage to science. A symptom of this is that the
epistemological status of things such as the efficacy of
hydroxychloriquine became impossible to determine for those not
deeply involved in the field, even if scientifically literate and
able to follow the papers./
Crackpots, and in that I would include Trump supporters and
thehydroxychloroquinecure COVID-19 people, don't just dispute well
established theories, they dispute the raw data itself. I've had
otherwise intelligent people tell me that every epidemiologist in the
world is wrong, and the entire scientific community is wrong, and
even insist every bit of data we have about COVID-19 is wrong. Why
would they do that? Because if the data was right they would have to
radically change their worldview and face the fact that Donald Trump
is not doing a good job. Changing one's worldview is quite painful
for some people.
Nobody can be knowledgeable about everything, so if the vast majority
of expert specialists in the world on a very complicated subject like
epidemiology, agrees on something, people who have spent their life
studying the subject, then I think they are much more likely to be
correct then you or I are after we've only been studying the matter
for 20 minutes or so. That's why people read scientific journals and
believe that what they say is probably true even if they haven't
personally carried out the experiments described in them. People that
we trust, because they have proven to be right in the past, judge new
research and if they think it's not valid they don't publish it in
their journals, and if they think it is valid then they do. It's a
web of trust, it's what the cryptographic program PGP uses to ensure
that a public key really belongs to the person that it claims to.And
history has shown the system, although not perfect, works pretty well
most of the time, which is a hell of a lot better than most things work.
And by the way, I don't think Trump has spent even 20 minutes
studying viral epidemiology or statistical theory in his entire life.
I more or less agree with everything you say. That is exactly why I
worry that incidents such as the Lancet retraction are damaging to the
web of trust.
Telmo
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