> On 8 Aug 2020, at 12:56, Philip Thrift <cloudver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> This is the view of the physicist as a kind of religious mystic, who
> contemplates a physics outside of language, and some "truth" out there they
> will never find.
>
> But all there is to write/speak with is language,
>
> e.g.
>
> R_{\mu \nu} - {1 \over 2}g_{\mu \nu}\,R + g_{\mu \nu} \Lambda = {8 \pi G
> \over c^4} T_{\mu \nu}
>
> [ cf. https://www.codecogs.com/latex/eqneditor.php ]
>
> and how different vocabularies understood pragmatically might be translated
> into— or reduced to— one another
>
> and playing the games of language
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopragmatism#Wittgenstein_and_language_games
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopragmatism#Wittgenstein_and_language_games>
>
> @philipthrift
You have always three levels:
1) a language (grammar)
2) a theory (axioms, formula, theorems)
3) an intended reality supposed to give sense to the theorems
By incompleteness, “3)” is never entirely definable (still less provable) in
the language or in the theory itself.
With mechanism, we cannot avoid the need to postulate at least one universal
machinery, and then, all the rest must be deduce from self-reference if we want
get the correct distinctions and relationships between sharable quanta and the
private qualia.
Bruno
>
>
> On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 1:35:27 PM UTC-5 Lawrence Crowell wrote:
> Context is all if you are doing science, for in science we study objects and
> events. If your interest is in doing pure mathematics or computer science
> that is fine, but it in of itself does not give physics. Feynman made some
> note of this. I found this little science fiction clip interesting along
> these lines. It is about a dormant computer system activating an attack
> sequence in a war that is long over. Note who in a sense "won the war." The
> machines activate algorithms with no context to reality.
>
> https://youtu.be/IjJmTeBSEzU <https://youtu.be/IjJmTeBSEzU>
>
> LC
>
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