If the world *split* (or differentiate) it is self obvious, that before the split/differntiation, it's the same world.
So if you start at moment t1 with one "world" A... at t2, you have two "worlds" A1 and A2 *each* having A as common past "world" Le mer. 20 janv. 2021 à 08:29, Alan Grayson <agrayson2...@gmail.com> a écrit : > On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 10:08:21 PM UTC-7 Pierz wrote: > >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 at 4:01 pm, Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 11:46:35 AM UTC-7 johnk...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 12:54 PM Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> *> So contrary to some who think I know zilch about the MWI, I DO know >>>>> what world I am in ! It's the world in which I made my bet, and won or >>>>> lost.* >>>>> >>>> >>>> Assuming 30 seconds elapsed between the time you made your bet and the >>>> time you won or lost your bet, which of those 30 * (5.39 × 10^44) splits >>>> that occurred during that time interval is the one that "you" are in? And >>>> even if by some miracle "you" could tell me which one "you" are in "now" >>>> that still leaves open the question of if "you" are still in that one >>>> "now". And if "you" weren't in "that one" how could "you" tell the >>>> difference? >>>> >>>> >>>>> *> All other ALLEGED world are DERIVATIVE from this one, and I have >>>>> zero contact* >>>>> >>>> >>>> You keep saying that over and over again, but no matter how many times you >>>> say it that won't make it true. Every world that exists has had >>>> contact with each other in the past, they I'll have a common ancestor, >>>> they just won't have any contact in the future. >>>> >>> >>> How is this implied by the SWE? Isn't this an additional postulate of >>> your interpretation? AG >>> >> >> It is absolutely implied. Not merely implied. It is quite explicitly the >> case. Ask literally anyone who understands MWI and they’ll tell you that. >> > > *You might be right. But all I know about the wf is that it can be > decomposed into eigenstates of the observed operator, each multiplied by a > complex parameter whose magnitude squared yields the probability of > occurrence, aka Born's rule. Please inform us exactly how the SWE, which > yields the wf, tell us what Many Worlder's claim? TY, AG* > >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> * > Also, since in the race there are exactly 10 possible winners,* >>>>> >>>> >>> No, there are *NOT* exactly 10 winners! There are an astronomical >>>> number to an astronomical power number horses that won that race with only >>>> a submicroscopic difference between them, and there are also an >>>> astronomical number to an astronomical power number of Alan Graysons that >>>> won his bet on that race. >>>> >>> >>> So instead of all possible outcomes being measured in some other world, >>> we get a huge, possibly infinite occurrences of all possibilities being >>> measured. I can regard this as the extra postulate I have been asking >>> about. It must be additional since it doesn't seem implied by SWE. AG >>> >> >> Again, JC is absolutely correct, and if you don’t understand that, you’ve >> never even begun to grasp MWI. It is certainly not an additional postulate. >> It was what I meant when I said I did not know how to begin to correct your >> horse race story. The multiverse is absolutely unimaginably vast. >> >>> >>>> *> Why not avoid all this confusion and creation of worlds with zero >>>>> energy sources, and accept that the wf collapses,* >>>> >>>> >>>> Because Schrodinger's Equation says nothing about the wave function >>>> collapsing and nobody, except for Many Worlds, seems to be able to >>>> come up with consistent coherent rules to tell us exactly when it >>>> collapses and when it does not. And if you will not be happy until >>>> there is an explanation for quantum mechanics that is not confusing and >>>> weird then I'm afraid you're destined to be unhappy. G >>>> >>> >>> You haven't answered my question; why is this interpretation more >>> REASONABLE or more CONSISTENT WITH OCCAM'S RAZOR compared to the collapse >>> hypothesis since gives it gives no clue whatever about the energy sources >>> required to create these other worlds? It seems to create hugely more >>> problems than it solves. AG >>> >>> Also, how does this interpretation tell us exactly WHEN the SWE >>> collapses since that occurs when the observer chooses to make the >>> measurement? Nothing to do with the SWE. All to do with the observer's >>> behavior or choice. 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