> On 12 Apr 2021, at 22:11, spudboy100 via Everything List > <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Boys, boys! To better answer your questions we'd need to consult > neuroscientists
In this case, Louis Jouvet has given evidences that we can wake up with the memory of two separate independent consciousness stream. I have done this about 4 times. Louis Jouvet explains this by the fact that the brain can be active (like in dreams) but with the corpus callosum still sleepy/inhibited. That helps to conceive that some arithmetical continuation can remember many streams. The problem is that we don’t know who we are. > who are involved with computing telemetry. So, who'd we consult with? > Probably the peeps that are working on Elon Musk's Neural Net thing. We may > never know how it feels to be one particular bat, out of billions, but we'd > have a sense of what Mr. Bat is doing, and how it feels to have the wind > beneath your wings, as that awful, old, song, went. If you wired me up you'd > be disgusted because, "What? He's got to go pee, again!” If we remember an experience, it will remain hard to interpret it as being correct. We might be able to know what is like to be a bat, but we can never be sure that it is “correct”. We can know, but we cannot know-for-sure. Bruno > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> > To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Apr 12, 2021 3:25 pm > Subject: Re: BATS (was:Qualia and communicability) > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 2:49 PM Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com > <mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > How do you know there can't be quale of what it's like to be John just as > we {?} have a quale of a pixel of red in our {?} visual field > > What's with this "we" business? I have a quale for what red is like in my > visual field but I have no idea what a red quale is like in your visual field. > > > This is only an assumption of yours. > > Speaking of assumptions, not only am I ignorant of what red is like for you I > don't even know if you have the ability to experience red quails or any > quails at all; I can assume you do but I don't know it for a fact nor will I > ever know it. > > John K Clark > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv29hsydUJbM3899q_m3YEA4F9aair%2BLhcwz4Do94ctv6g%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv29hsydUJbM3899q_m3YEA4F9aair%2BLhcwz4Do94ctv6g%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1566897580.1287422.1618258304988%40mail.yahoo.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1566897580.1287422.1618258304988%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/D3A4B751-CA4A-4960-B40A-76C32813B598%40ulb.ac.be.
