> On 14 Apr 2021, at 20:41, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
> <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> 
> On 4/14/2021 3:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> 
>>> On 11 Apr 2021, at 20:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
>>> <everything-list@googlegroups.com 
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>>> 
>>> That would be of some interest but I think it would fail to communicate 
>>> what it is like to be a bat because of the inability to act as a bat.  I'm 
>>> not sure your brain could learn to interpret visual input if it were not 
>>> able to correlate it with touch and movement.
>> 
>> Added to this is the problem that we cannot know the mechanist substation 
>> level. Some would be OK to simulate only the bat neuronal system; some would 
>> say that we have to simulate also the glial cells, some would ask for the 
>> simulation of the microtubules, etc.
>> 
>> Even one bat cannot know how it feels to be a different bat.
> 
> I would agree if you mean "know with certainty”. 

You are right. I should have made clear, like I just did actually, that the 
notion of “knowing” was “knowing for sure”.

It is more []p & <>t & p than []p & p, although even " []p & <>t & p” might not 
yet capture completely the “for dure” components.


> But clearly we have pretty good ideas about how other people feel simply by 
> projecting our own feelings while imagining their situation.

OK.

Bruno


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