On 7/6/2021 6:50 PM, Jason Resch wrote:


On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 9:39 PM Bruce Kellett <bhkellet...@gmail.com <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:29 AM Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com
    <mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 4:07 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything
        List <everything-list@googlegroups.com
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            On 7/6/2021 10:34 AM, Jason Resch wrote:

            On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 12:27 PM 'Brent Meeker' via
            Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com
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                And you're never going to find a being that behaves
                intelligently based on information that can be
                quantum erased.

            You need only a quantum computer with enough qubits.

            Can you prove that?  How does this quantum intelligence
            ever arrive at a definite decision?


        Prove? No. But I think I can justify it:

        1. Quantum computers are Turing equivalent, they can compute
        anything a classical computer can.

        2. Human brains are believed to operate according to physical
        laws, all known of which are computable.

        3. Humans are conscious.

        4. By any of: Chalmers's principle of "Organizational
        invariance", or "multiple realizability", or the "Generalized
        Anti-Zombie Principle", or the "computational theory of mind",
        a functionally equivalent computation to that of a conscious
        human brain will be equivalently conscious to that brain.

        5. Quantum computers are reversible.

        By 1 & 2, a quantum computer can simulate a human brain. By 3
        & 4, such an emulation will be conscious. By 5 any computation
        performed by a quantum computer can be quantum erased by
        reversing the circuit back to its starting state.

        It reaches a definite decision by virtue of completing its
        processing before ultimately being reversed. This prevents an
        outside observer from learning the decision, but it's made
        nonetheless during the course of the processing.


    How do you know that it has reached a definite decision? Without
    having it print out some irreversible record? If it prints out a
    (pseudo-)classical record, the initial state is not recoverable.

    Bruce


By either:

1. Analyzing the circuit

But the question is whether such a circuit is possible.

2. Having the circuit do something useful and verifiable (as in my factoring example)

How would you know that had a causal connection to the quantum erasable knowledge?

3. Having the circuit output that it did observe a definite value but without reporting which value it observed (as in Deutsch's original example)

Again, how do you know such a circuit is possible?   Most quantum computations only produce probable answers in a decohered readout.

Brent




Jason



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