> On 7 Jul 2021, at 03:21, Bruce Kellett <bhkellet...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:13 AM Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com > <mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, 2:03 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <everything-list@googlegroups.com <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > Then I guess I don't understand this part: > > Run it together with Shors algorithm and have "each AI" read a definite > random number from 0 to 2^n where n is the number of qubits needed to > represent the semiprime being factored. Then have the AI copy that number to > another register to prove it went through the AI's mind. > > What does it mean to "read a definite random number" > > F(x) is a quantum algorithm (a combination AI + Shor's algorithm) which takes > an input x where x is a set of N qubits, with each qubit initialized to a > superposition of 1 and 0. > > Since the qubits are in a superposition representing 2^N states, the quantum > algorithm likewise becomes a superposition of 2^N uniquely processed values. > Each one can be viewed as a unique evaluation of F(i) where i is each of the > possible N-bit bit strings. > > Since F() includes a conscious AI evaluating the input value, and since it > exists in a superposition, then the evaluation on a quantum computer > corresponds to 2^N independent conscious states. > > > and what does that have to do with recording which slit a photon went thru? > > > It's an alternate example of Deutsch's experiment which shows that > consciousness doesn't cause collapse, assuming adding a conscious AI to > Shor's algorithm doesn't somehow break the algorithm. If you can still factor > numbers with the AI added to the circuit, then consciousness doesn't cause > collapse, and we can see QM directly leads to many "split" observers. > > > No one now believes that consciousness has anything to do with collapse. For > example, in fGRW, the collapse is caused by independent stochastic 'flashes' > that have no relevance to consciousness. In Bohm's theory, there never is any > collapse because there is never any mystic 'superposition’.
Bohm’s theory keep the wave, and the superposition. It just that the particles stay in only one term of that superposition, yet remained influenced (even at a FTL speed) by what happens in the superposition. It is the many-worlds, + a complex supplementary potential to make infinitely many people into zombies, so that consciousness is singularised in one branch only. It is heavy metaphysical assumption to satisfy personal coquetry... > In Penroses gravitational induced collapse, the collapse is due to changes in > the spacetime metric -- again, independent of consciousness. Von Neumann and Wigner were the early advocate of the “consciousness makes the collapse” idea. I consider that it has been refuted correctly by Abner Shimony (and many others). > > So Deutsch's thought experiment is about nothing at all, and proves nothing > at all. In that experiment, the Many)worlds predict that the observer can remember having seen as definite result, without remembering each one, and that, if done, would add confirmation to the MW, or better, many histories or many computations, like arithmetic (+ mechanism) predicted. Bruno > > Bruce > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLTw6gRbcEOU-AYf-uz%2BBPL%2BojThFYp%2B%3DzZmp5ndmTzHqg%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLTw6gRbcEOU-AYf-uz%2BBPL%2BojThFYp%2B%3DzZmp5ndmTzHqg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/FBEEFAFB-769B-4D41-BF4D-71A086337B10%40ulb.ac.be.
