On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 2:29 PM <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote: *> Basically, you yet have not presented scientific evidence that computers > can possess emotions,* >
True, and you have not presented scientific evidence that human beings can possess emotions. But during the last year new evidence HAS become available that computers can possess intelligence. * > I am not saying I dare you!! Simply if you have an IDEA how emotions or > consciousness in machinery could occur, let me know, because it sounds > interesting. * > The Neural Networks of AIs have become so complex that even the people that built them only have a hazy idea why they behave intelligently, but that doesn't change the fact that they do behave intelligently; and as for consciousness, if I'm right and it's a brute fact that consciousness is the way data feels when it is being processed intelligently then there is simply nothing more that can be said about the matter. John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> 6GC mek > > *> If it flaps its wings like a butterfly or a bird (ornithopter) then it > follows life on earth. * > *We have no other model than earth life to model consciousness.* > > > We? I have a model of consciousness but I have no direct way of knowing > that anybody else has a model of consciousness or model of anything else > for that matter because the only example of consciousness that I have to > work with is myself. > > *> You provide no other model, so hence my brain parts mentioning still > holds. Show us another model of emotion and consciousness.* > > > It's a fact that there are only two possibilities, an iterative chain of > "why" or "how" questions either goes on forever or terminates in a brute > fact. My idea is that it's a brute fact that consciousness is the way data > feels when it is being processed intelligently. Your idea is that the > amygdala causes consciousness and only that particular wet and squishy > thing can do it and a dry and hard thing never could. I think my idea is > better. > > *> ChatGpt3 is a fun toy. It does great on song writing and parody. It > ain't human,* > > > That is certainly true. > > > *it ain't emotional, or conscious.* > > > Maybe, but then maybe you're not emotional or conscious either and you > just behave as if you were. However in the end it really doesn't matter > because whoever is more intelligent will end up running the show, so from a > human point of view it's not important if AIs are conscious or not, the > important thing is that they're intelligent, if they're not conscious > that's their problem not mine. So human beliefs about the consciousness or > unconsciousness of Mr. Jupiter Brain will have no effect on the future. > However it could be important, at least for humans, whether or not Mr. > Jupiter Brain believes that humans are conscious, if he believes that we > are and are not just a complex chain of chemical reactions he might have > some sympathy for us and show us mercy. Can you think of any way to prove > to Mr. Jupiter Brain that you are conscious? I can't. > > Oh and by the way, sometimes as a last resort the amygdala needs to be > removed for medical reasons and the surgical procedure, called > Amygdalotomy, produces lots of unpleasant side effects and significant > changes in behavior as you'd expect when a significant part of a computer > is taken offline, however nobody believes it results in a person without > consciousness or emotion. > > Amygdalotomy > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdalotomy#:~:text=Amygdalotomy%20is%20a%20form%20of,outbursts%2C%20and%20self%2Dmutilation.> > > > oml > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0Wa4g8vgUHrtD%2Bcu-J_oL7AvWTU8V%3Dkir6WcTWdM3S4A%40mail.gmail.com.
