On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 3:33 PM PGC <multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> it's crucial to remember that beating benchmarks or covering a wide range > of conversational topics does not equate to general intelligence Why not?! Claude can cover a WIDE range of topics but it's still NARROW?? It's interesting that nobody had a problem with any of these benchmarks just a few years ago when most people thought it would be centuries or never before a computer could pass any of them, but now that computers have blown past almost all of those benchmarks one after the other all of a sudden people are now saying those benchmarks were never any good. I think that's just whistling past the graveyard. John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> wpg Your excitement about Claude 3.5 Sonnet's performance is understandable. > It's an impressive development, but it's crucial to remember that beating > benchmarks or covering a wide range of conversational topics does not > equate to general intelligence. I wish we lived in a context where I could > encourage you to provide evidence for your claims about AI capabilities and > future predictions but Claude, OpenAI, etc are... not exactly open. > > Then we could discuss empirical data and trends instead of betting: I > don't know what the capability ceiling is, for narrow AI development behind > closed doors now or in the next years, nor have I pretended to. > Wide/general is not narrow/specific and brittle. But I am happy for you if > you feel that you can converse intelligently with it; I know what you mean. > For my taste its a tad obsequious and not very original, i.e. I am > providing all the originality of the conversation that some large > corporation is sucking up without getting paid for it. > > > *I don't want clever conversationI never want to work that hard, mmm - *Billy > Joel > On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 11:02:05 PM UTC+2 John Clark wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 10:00 AM PGC <multipl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>> *> And for everybody here assuming the Mechanist ontology, which implies >>> the Strong AI thesis, i.e. the assertion that a machine can think,* >>> >> >> I don't know about everybody but I certainly have that view because the >> only alternative is vitalism, the idea that only life, especially human >> life, has a special secret sauce that is not mechanistic, that is to say >> does not follow the same laws of physics as non-living things. And that >> view has been thoroughly discredited since 1859 when Darwin wrote "The >> Origin Of Species". >> >> >> >>> *> I am curious as to why any of you would assume that general >>> intelligence and mind would arise from a narrow AI.* >>> >> >> If a human could converse with you as intelligently as Claude can in such >> a wide number of unrelated topics you would never call his range of >> interest narrow, but because Claude's brain is hard and dry and not soft >> and squishy you do. I'll tell you what let's make a bet, I bet that an AI >> will win the International Mathematical Olympiad in less than 3 years, >> perhaps much less. I also bet that in less than 3 years the main political >> issue in every major country will not be unlawful immigration or crime or >> even an excess in wokeness, it will be what to do about AI which is taking >> over jobs at an accelerating rate. What do you bet? >> >> >> >> bwu >> >> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/4bb09c16-61df-4b07-a024-eae5eafffb90n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/4bb09c16-61df-4b07-a024-eae5eafffb90n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2dhncZFoOm-M0zm5GFezwY-bDqRzhezfew1La1DYPkJg%40mail.gmail.com.
