On 7/16/2024 3:44 PM, PGC wrote:
Republican voters, bless their hearts, often seem to miss a crucial
point about politics: it’s fundamentally a forum for debate, where the
ultimate goal is to forge a better path forward through reasoned
argumentation. Instead, many treat it like a competitive sport or,
perhaps more aptly, Mixed Martial Arts (MMA), where the objective is
simply to win at any cost. Their God being the ultimate arbiter. If
their God gambles and is addicted to sports... That says enough about
how serious their commitment is to the values in their interpretations
of their own scripture. The problem with this mindset is that it
disregards the constructive purpose of political discourse. It’s not
about delivering knockout blows or getting God Dad's approval; it’s
about engaging in a dialogue that ideally leads to improved policies
and a more inclusive society.
Now, let's talk about the felon. There’s a pervasive belief among his
supporters that he’s the ultimate champion who can vanquish the left.
The irony, however, is that even if he were to win the election, he
wouldn't defeat the left; rather, he would invigorate it. Picture
this: Trump’s victory acts as a defibrillator to the heart of the
left, jolting it with a renewed sense of urgency and determination.
This resurgence would likely amplify the very phenomena that many of
his supporters disdain—like the so-called “wokeness” that they find so
irksome.
Extending John's point (below) that in 2028 Trump, or President Vance
will continue indefinitely in power, to be removed only by an armed and
violent resurgence, aka civil war. Vance has already taken Putin's side
in the invasion of Ukraine, so he will destroy NATO if not explicitly
then by implied abandonment. Putin's Russia will absorb Hungary,
Turkey, Moldovia
Brent
Consider the rise of political correctness (PC). Its proliferation can
be attributed, in no small part, to Trump’s own antics. He played into
the hands of his supporters, who reveled in his brazen disregard for
PC norms. But what was the result? An explosion of PC culture, as
those who felt targeted by his rhetoric doubled down on their efforts
to promote inclusivity and sensitivity. The irony here is rich: Trump,
the nemesis of PC culture, unwittingly became its greatest accelerant.
Under Biden, PC culture has not vanished but merely quieted down,
proving that its vigor was, at least partially, a reaction to Trump’s
provocations.
Now, let’s entertain some hypotheticals. Imagine Trump pushing through
an anti-abortion agenda. The alienation of women would be almost
immediate and would grow over time, as more and more women would find
themselves disenfranchised and angry. How about mass deportations?
Picture federal agents descending upon towns, cities, and villages to
carry out these orders. The resistance would be fierce. Agents
refusing to participate, invoking parallels to the fugitive slave act,
mayors standing in defiance, and affected communities forming human
chains to protect their neighbors—all culminating in a dramatic and
potentially bloody standoff with the National Guard. This scenario
wouldn’t just be a political debacle; it would be a humanitarian
crisis and a stain on the national conscience.
Politically, a second Trump administration would likely achieve far
less than a Democratic one. The internal chaos and external resistance
would stymie significant progress on major policy fronts. The
spectacle of governance would overshadow the substance, leaving the
country more divided and less capable of addressing pressing issues.
In summary, the Trump era teaches us that the dynamics of political
power are complex and often counterintuitive. Efforts to dismantle
progressive movements may, paradoxically, strengthen them. In the end,
the true power of politics lies not in the ability to win arguments
but in the capacity to listen, debate, and collaboratively craft a
better future.
On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 2:40:32 PM UTC+2 John Clark wrote:
*JD Vance will be Trump's vice president, and one of the few
duties of a vice president that is spelled out in the constitution
is to certify presidential elections. Vance has some interesting
things to say about that:*
/*" If I had been vice-president in 2020, I would have told the
states, like Pennsylvania, Georgia and so many others, that we
needed to have multiple slates of electors, and I think the US
Congress should have fought over it from there. That is the
legitimate way to deal with an election that a lot of folks,
including me, think had a lot of problems in 2020.”
*/
So I can't imagine any circumstance in which Vance would certify a
Democratic victory in 2028. Consider the possibilities:
*If Trump runs for reelection in 2028 it's unlikely the Supreme
Court would rule that a third presidential term is clearly
unconstitutional because by then Trump will have even tighter
control of the Supreme Court than he does now. And even if it did
defy him it wouldn't make any difference because Vance says if the
Supreme Court, or any court, makes a decision that Trump doesn't
like he should "/stand before the country like Andrew Jackson did,
and say, 'The chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him
enforce it./'"*
*But suppose Trump decides to retire in 2028, in that case it's
highly likely that Vance will be the Republican presidential
candidate. Can you imagine Vance saying on January 6 2029 that his
Democratic opponent has won the election? I can't.*
*And then there is a third possibility, Vance is already president
in 2028, after all Trump is nearly as old as Biden, and he is
overweight, and he doesn't exercise, and he has a terrible diet. *
*No matter how you look at it, 2024 will be the last presidential
election this country ever has, if you don't count North Korea
style "elections". *
*
*
**John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>
nke
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