On Tuesday, October 1, 2024 at 3:39:01 AM UTC-6 Cosmin Visan wrote:
Regarding the analogy with the old gods, the goal of any theory should be the truth. Theories are a side effect of the goal of finding the truth. Truth is what decides what a theory looks like, not the other way around. As such, words such as "throwback" is a mischaracterization of what a theory is doing. If the truth reveals to us that reality is indeed a network of interacting consciousnesses, and that this truth strips us of our powers to make predictions, this is not a "throwback", this is simply the truth. Truth is not throwback or throwforwards. Truth is simply truth. It is what it is. Nobody says that truth should be about making predictions. For predictions there are other tools that you can use, like developing empirical models that you can apply for a certain problem at hand. If you want to design a TV, you clearly don't use the ideas that you would use when designing a washing machine. For such practical problems you can use whatever models work. But truth is truth and you shouldn't impose on it your criteria of what truth should be. Sure, if you think long enough maybe you can even make predictions starting directly from truth. But that is just a bonus. But what is truth; that is, how do we know we've discovered it? That's where models and predictions have been found to have value, even even though their range is limited. Otherwise, all we have are *opinions*. While I agree, based on esoteric personal experiences, that the core of reality is consciousness, I still need the bonus you refer to, and so far your truth, to the extent you can articulate it, does not indicate any way to get that bonus. AG On Tuesday 1 October 2024 at 12:22:44 UTC+3 Cosmin Visan wrote: For practical purposes you can use whatever model works. We are not talking here about practicality, but about the nature of reality. Furthermore, even if for convenience you use some model that works, you have to keep in mind at all times that only because that model works in a specific situation, this gives you zero guarantees that it will work on another situation. You try to talk about the universe using a model that only works locally on the solar system. Of course more likely than not it will not work on the universe. So then why waste time ? Is like arguing to reach the Moon on an airplane just because airplanes work so well around the Earth. But the moment you leave Earth, the conditions that made that airplane work around Earth are no longer present. What guarantees you that whatever makes the planets revolve around the Sun is still applicable at the scale of the universe ? Also, regarding consciousnesses, I hope you understand that is not their wishes directly that move the planets. Those consciousnesses are just minding their own businesses in their own internal realities. They don't know anything about planets. "Planets" is a symbol that YOUR consciousness invents as a best guess in order to account for whatever those other consciousnesses are doing. Is similar with money. You pay 5$ for a kilo of tomatoes, but those 5$ are just a symbol in your consciousness that hides the complexities of the interactions of humans and animals consciousnesses on planet Earth. Behind those 5$ are consciousnesses living all kinds of dramas and tragedies and loves and whatever. But you are totally oblivious to all that. You just have the quale of 5$ to free you from all that unnecessary burden towards achieving your own goals. And of course, you buying those tomatoes, you put your own stamp on the global consciousnesses interactions and modify them a tiny bit. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2f481f4b-f2d9-436c-b556-fbfe2c647be2n%40googlegroups.com.
