On 10/17/2024 7:16 AM, Alan Grayson wrote:
On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 8:05:10 AM UTC-6 Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Le jeu. 17 oct. 2024, 15:56, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> a
écrit :
On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 7:31:32 AM UTC-6 Quentin
Anciaux wrote:
Le jeu. 17 oct. 2024, 14:14, Alan Grayson
<[email protected]> a écrit :
On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 5:20:26 AM UTC-6 John
Clark wrote:
On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 1:14 AM Alan Grayson
<[email protected]> wrote:
/> Ostensibly, applying SR, Bob concludes
Alice's clock is running slower than his, and
vice-versa for Alice/
*Yes.*
/> so you conclude Alice get Bob's response to
her question before she sends it./
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*No.Watching somebody's Clock that is running
slower than your clock does NOT mean you are
observing their time running backwards. *
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*I know that! You claimed from Bob's pov, Alice's
clock is running slower (not running backwards), and
when he sends his reply his clock reads 2, whereas
Alice's clock reads 1, before she sent the question. I
remember that clearly. No one claimed her clock was
running backwards. So, without instantaneous anything
how is the paradox resolved, and how is this related
to MW? TY, AG*
The paradox is resoved if there is mo ftl... please do a
work on yourself and try to understand what others are
saying...
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*Anyone can say anything, including yourself, but that's not a
proof of anything. At best it's a claim. AG *
? If there is no ftl, there is no paradox, ftl brings a paradox
because the simultaneity plan is different for alice and bob.
That's just SR, that's just what JC said and he's not claiming
anything afaics.
*Another claim. The only thing lacking is a proof. Moreover, you're
factually mistaken. There IS an apparent paradox without FTL. The
paradox is how can Bob and Alice see the other's clock running slower.
AG*
That's not a paradox and was only so named because it confounded
Newtonian intuition. If you plot the ticking of two moving clocks along
their worldlines and then Lorentz transform your diagram you seem that
it is inevitable that each sees the other's clock as running slow. What
irritates me is you are full demands for proof, but never do the work to
prove something to yourself.
Brent
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