I read the ExTeam blogs on SANs, and I very much appreciated their guidance,
but it had all the air of a kludge ''oops, try this"
When I went shopping for a SAN some of the major certificate vendors didn't
even have an Exchange 07 compatible SAN cert ready yet, and it was well
after RTM.
I ended up with Entrust because the ExchTeam blogs recommended it and they
had worked closely with them to develop a compatible SAN. In spite of that
close collaboration, it took Entrust four (that's 4) attempts at tayloring a
cert that would work with my Exchange 07.
And you ask me about due diligence?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Vander Kooi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:40 PM
Subject: RE: Is Exchange 2007 worth it over 2003?
If you have done due diligence, then you should know about SAN certificates,
as they are mentioned multiple times on the Exchange team's blog (along with
step by step instruction on how to install them using PowerShell) and you
will get certificate prompts when accessing darn near anything in an
Exchange 2007 lab environment. If someone decides to go buy Exchange on a
whim and upgrade it this weekend then you are correct, they will have some
BIG surprises in store. ;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Albert
Duro
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 4:25 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Is Exchange 2007 worth it over 2003?
OK, so you and Tim are better shoppers than I and were
better prepared for this one. Now, can we have a show
of hands: how many admins out there who are studying
for or doing a migration to 07 had any idea that a SAN
cert will very likely be required?
--- "Wells, James Arthur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
BEFORE Exchange 2007 RTM, they were expensive.
If you insisted on Verisign certs, they were VERY
expensive.
Even Verisign bought a smaller company to sell SAN
certs in the last year, though.
--James
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Tim Vander Kooi
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:42 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Is Exchange 2007 worth it over 2003?
I have SAN certs and they are not very expensive. If
you paid a lot for yours then you paid too much. I
have the exact situation you describe and paid less
than $200 to cover all of my various names. Much
cheaper than the old way in my opinion.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Albert Duro
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:15 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Is Exchange 2007 worth it over 2003?
we're going off on a tangent here, but say your
Exchange 2007 Server has a public Cname and a
different internal hostname (not an uncommon
situation), then your "very cheap" certificate will
not work, even though it worked before on Server
2003
with the same name split. You'll need a 'Subject
Alternative Name' certificate, and they ain't cheap.
--- Tim Vander Kooi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm sorry, but as was discussed on one of the
lists
> a week or so ago... Exchange certs are NOT
> expensive. They are really very cheap.
> TVK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
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>
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Albert Duro
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 12:11 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Is Exchange 2007 worth it over 2003?
>
> yes you can. BUT that doesn't really give you a
> feel
> for 07 so long as it's an inert sidekick. It's
when
> it takes over that all heck breaks loose. That's
> why
> I recommended it for a separate network.
> Just one of many, many examples of what can go
> radically different is that your certificate(s)
may
> no
> longer work with 07, and you may have to acquire
> new,
> expensive ones.
>
> --- "Wohlgemuth, Mike"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Can't you install 07 alongside 03 and keep
user's
> > mailboxes on 03 until
> > you get comfortable with 07 and then just move
the
> > mailboxes over?
> >
> > Just wondering as that is what I was lead to
> believe
> > ...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
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> >
>
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of
> > Albert Duro
> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:06 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Re: Is Exchange 2007 worth it over
2003?
> >
> > I have found the change from Exch 03 to 07 far
> more
> > demanding and
> > stressful
> > that the change from NT/5.5 to AD/Exch 2K. And
> I've
> > often complained of
> > how
> > unnecessarily difficult Exch 07 is, and how it
> seems
> > to me like an
> > incomplete product, with too many rough and
> > crumbling edges.
> > I can see that it offers advantages to a large
> shop
> > with a complex
> > topology
> > and teams of admins who can delve into its
> > complexities. But for a
> > small
> > shop with a tiny team or a team of one, 07 is,
> > frankly, a Katrina.
> > But you can't afford to ignore it, either. My
> > hesitant advice is to
> > stay
> > with 03 for production and get acquainted with
07
> in
> > a lab or separate
> > network.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Hutchings"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Exchange Discussions"
> > <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:36 AM
> > Subject: Is Exchange 2007 worth it over 2003?
> >
> >
> > We currently have a single Exchange 2003 SP2
> server
> > servicing all our
> > mailboxes and public folders.
> >
> > In six months or so I need to look at replacing
> the
> > hardware, which
> > means I need to be thinking now what I want to
do
> on
> > the software side
> > for testing/budgeting purposes etc.
> >
> > I'm looking at the feature list of Exchange 2007
> vs.
> > 2003 and I'm kind
> > of scratching my head and thinking "What's the
big
> > deal"?
> >
> > We've just gone down the route of a SAN and a
> small
> > ESX cluster, and
> > what I'm currently thinking is skip the software
> > upgrade next year and
> > stick with 2003, and get it virtualized properly
> to
> > add some resiliency,
> > then review it the following year.
> >
> > I'd welcome all feedback but I'm looking at all
> the
> > E27K comparison
> > matrices and tbh there's not much that's
> convincing
> > me that the $70k or
> > so just in CAL costs is going to benefit us
> > sufficiently to justify it.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Paul
> >
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