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Ed Crowley MCITP MCSE+I MCSE+M MCTS MVP "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems." -----Original Message----- From: bounce-51095706-631...@intm-dl.sparklist.com [mailto:bounce-51095706-631...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of Brett Fernicola Sent: February 12, 2009 14:59 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools The average Exchange Admin can only work within the GUI of windows and exchange. The advanced exchange admin knows VB, powershell, etc and can script themselves out of a mess, or use it to create an adhoc report. And no your wrong again. You have to install Perl, and java to support either in Windows. Windows all ready understands VB OUT OF THE BOX, and with MS Log Parser you can mix SQL statements into your command with out having anything else installed on your box. Again I'm trying to steer people towards the path of least resistance. -----Original Message----- From: bounce-51095077-3785...@intm-dl.sparklist.com [mailto:bounce-51095077-3785...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley [MVP] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 2:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools What? It was Microsoft's best 1.0 product release ever. Ed Crowley MCITP MCSE+I MCSE+M MCTS MVP "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems." -----Original Message----- From: bounce-51094632-631...@intm-dl.sparklist.com [mailto:bounce-51094632-631...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of Fred Skrotzki Sent: February 12, 2009 14:07 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools I've not heard that product mentioned in a good 5 years. When I read this message I had this sudden urge to run out the door screaming... -----Original Message----- From: bounce-51093448-3713...@intm-dl.sparklist.com [mailto:bounce-51093448-3713...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of Tim Vander Kooi Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools Sorry, I used msmail prior to Exchange 4. :-P -----Original Message----- From: bounce-51093395-2798...@intm-dl.sparklist.com [mailto:bounce-51093395-2798...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of Hawkins, Geni P Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools Well, obviously, to me, *I'm* the average. Hasn't everyone else been working with Exchange since 4.x, having previously known more than one would ever care to about IBM PROFS and OfficeVision (and cc:Mail, and Pine, and...)? Thank you, Geni P. Hawkins Systems Engineer Highline Public Schools 206-433-2201 hawki...@hsd401.org -----Original Message----- From: bounce-51093332-597...@intm-dl.sparklist.com [mailto:bounce-51093332-597...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley [MVP] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools Define "average". I'd be very hard-pressed to come up with a profile of an "average" Exchange administrator. Ed Crowley MCITP MCSE+I MCSE+M MCTS MVP "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems." -----Original Message----- From: bounce-51093267-631...@intm-dl.sparklist.com [mailto:bounce-51093267-631...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of Brett Fernicola Sent: February 12, 2009 13:22 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools Your missing the point Chris. You and I may fully understand Perl and programming in general, but that's because we are developers. I am trying to steer Exchange Admins who are obviously not developers or even scripter's towards the simplest easiest solution. If an admin needs to ask how to analyze his exchange logs then I'm assuming he's not up to the task of writing his own solution. Therefore suggesting a custom Perl scenario may be out of reach for most people; hence why I recommend people to look at MS Log Parser because they will find already ready working scripts to answer their ?'s. Those scripts will also be in a much easier to understand format thus allowing novices to alter and edit them to fit their needs. Nothing against Perl, it just doesn't fit well for the average exchange admin. Brett Fernicola Systems Engineer STEALTHbits Technologies, Inc. (201) 447-9356 -----Original Message----- From: bounce-51090709-3785...@intm-dl.sparklist.com [mailto:bounce-51090709-3785...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:06 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools -----Original Message----- From: bounce-51080486-1429...@intm-dl.sparklist.com [mailto:bounce-51080486-1429...@intm-dl.sparklist.com] On Behalf Of Brett Fernicola Posted At: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:28 PM Posted To: swynk Conversation: Exchange reporting tools Subject: RE: Exchange reporting tools #1 Windows does not natively support Perl So I guess if installing ActiveState Perl on my box is insufficient I'll use my Ubuntu box. What is that FUD supposed to mean? #2 Making a custom report in Perl is much harder then using SQL Code and VB. Source? Examples? What does that even mean? I can state with 100% certainty that for me your assertion is untrue. #3 Have fun researching and finding help with Perl in regards to Exchange Metric log crunching. I still don't know what an Exchange Metric log is, but I'm relatively new to Exchange. What would I need help with exactly? Parsing a log file in Perl? It's one of Perl's core strengths. Would I need to ask a Perl developer what a log field or value meant if I didn't know or could anyone with a working knowledge of Exchange answer that? Is a Perl developer going to have a more interesting take on message counting standards than a C# developer? Why can't I debate that with both? #4 There is already a user base of people using MS log parser to crunch exchange Logs, they will help and share their scripts with you. I doubt you will find this level of support with Perl. I assume the 'you' here is the generic you. Because I could have a half dozen Perl samples in my inbox with a single email. #5 Again if you want support, help, & samples use SQL and VB, which are all understood by windows natively. I've helped build Exchange log parsing tools in Java. Got plenty of support, had developers smart enough to understand samples written in other languages and I think it was running on some damn Solaris box for all it matters. _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=exchange To subscribe: http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-51090709-3785410.edab4f1289b098e322e75545dbe85...@intm-dl.sparklis t.com Exchange List admin: lc...@jupitermedia.com To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. 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