Agreed -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SpamBelt
Spam-by-proxy is still spam. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Importance: High Forwarded to the list at Stu's request: -----Original Message----- From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:26 AM To: Erik Sojka; Exchange Discussions Cc: <Mailing company CC addresses deleted> Importance: High Eric, You are ABSOLUTELY right, and I'm asking David to send an apology to the same list with an explanation. Up to now they have not answered my insistent requests. I'm getting very unhappy with their non-communication, and if this goes on, we will have to resort to other means. Thanks for the feedback, Stu -----Original Message----- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Stu Sjouwerman Subject: RE: SpamBelt Thanks for the response, Stu. I'd like to add something. There are some other staff at my company who got the same message I refer to below (mentioning the IHS product, and requesting them to stop by at the MecEd conference). These people did *not* attend MecEd and should *not* have been on a list of people who were registered to do so. Yet they got this spam. Why is that? As to the response from David Cragg: If it smells like a duck then it is a duck. How would any right minded email administrator be expected to react to a message with a "throwaway" address as a reply-to? This tactic of using several domains in the headers, from/reply-to addresses, etc. is the exact same tactic that a chickenboner spammer uses. Why use them? Stu, your company's credibility as a whitehat supplier of anti-spam products is seriously on the line. From a spam recipient's or victim's perspective, what is the difference between your product and the way in which the ad was delivered vs. any of the chickenboners who are also spamming for an antispam solution? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:38 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Cc: Stu Sjouwerman > > Hi Guys, > > We admit that this looked like spam a lot. I actually > called the people who sent it for us and complained. > The company who own this database and emailed it for > us are MSD2D, they have worked for years for Microsoft building their > trade show list and catalogs. That's why you are on their list. > > Here is included the answer from their Pres, who explained why it > looks like this. > > --------------------------------------------------------- > "In response to your email today I admit that it has the appearance of > Spam. We apologize for that. We usually send these type of > announcements with our reply address but it was a last minute mailer > and we had already use our regular mail box for our weekly Security > newsletter. It was important that we get that notice out to people who > we thought might be attending Tech-Ed as Sunbelt was accidentally left > out of a proper position in the Microsoft Exchange Directory. " > David Cragg > President > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Understandably you assumed it was spam, with a juno address as the > sender. Turns out this -is- what they use for their returns. An > unfortunate choice to say the least. Hope this clarifies the > situation. > > Warm regards, > > Stu _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
