I'd wager that Siegfried is fully aware of the differences, probably more so than most on the list.
The question I have is what's the status of this hotfix with regards to E2k3? Is there an expectation that this functionality will be included in the RTM release? -------------------------------------------------------------- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dryden, Karen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 7:40 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: IPM.Post VS. IPM.Note > > > I know about the hotfix and am not crazy about installing hotfixes, so > we're waiting at this point. Nothing accesses the M: drive on our E2K > servers, it's excluded from vscan. We don't do single folder backups > and our backups run after midnight. OL2002 works sometimes here, too. > Nothing is constant. I know rules fire on notes, but everything from > the internet comes into PF as posts. Some of our rules just stop > working at times, though, on notes with nothing in the logs and with > logging turned up to max. If you've never had a lot of PFs in 5.5 and > now you've gone to E2K, you can't really understand the differences. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:45 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: IPM.Post VS. IPM.Note > > > As for being posts instead of notes, see Andy's reply and > call Microsoft > for a free of charge fix. > > I've never used rules much on PF's hence I cannot comment on > that. I do > understand that a rule doesn't fire if it is a post item but it should > fire on a note item. I'd be interested to hear if you have any > additional info what's going on. Especially if the store is > hit by other > applications like a MAPI based backup (single folder backup thingy > maybe?) or an antivirus scanner (either MAPI or ESE/VSAPI based)? > > Also, you do know that you should stay away from the "M: Drive", don't > you? The symptoms (like the permissions issue - I just tested with > Outlook 2002 SP2 and it works here) you describe point me into the > direction that you are running some piece of software which > accesses the > "M: Drive" (like a file based backup or AV scanner) and causes some of > your grief. > > <Cheers:Siegfried runat="server" /> > > Development Lead, > > CDOLive LLC - The Microsoft Messaging and Collaboration Application > Experts http://www.cdolive.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dryden, Karen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 12:06 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: IPM.Post VS. IPM.Note > > > > > > That's too bad. We have thousands of PFs and have always > > encouraged people to opt for a PF rather than a mailbox > > anytime they need somewhere to receive email to be viewed by > > people who already had a mailbox. In 5.5, PFs worked pretty > > much flawlessly. In 2000, they're terrible. The rules just > > stop working intermittently. The PFs that receive mostly > > outside mail are now posts, so the rules don't work at all on > > those anymore. The user role permissions are finally cleaned > > up so that Exchange 2000 can interpret them. We only have > > replicas on one of our 2000 servers now since replication > > caused too much latency. Sometimes, even though we have > > owner permissions on all of the PFs, if we use Outlook 2002 > > to view the properties, we're told we don't have permission, > > but if we view them in OL2000, we can make whatever changes > > an owner should be able to make. Searching for something in > > PFs used to be a breeze when they were on our 5.5 servers, > > now, you may or may not find what you're looking for even > > though you know it's in there. > > > > We're getting to the point that it would be easier to create > > mailboxes for the PFs that we constantly get called on, the > > ones with rules that stop working, mostly, and that's such a > > waste to have to create a mailbox when all you really need is > > a PF. I'd guess we got maybe 10 PF calls in the 5 years > > we've been running Exchange for actual problems with the > > server, not the usual, user doesn't understand the > > permissions calls, and now that we've moved our PFs to E2K, > > we get at least 10 calls a week with PF server issues, if not > > more. We've turned logging up to highest on everything to do > > with PFs and nothing ever shows up in the logs to give us a > > clue as to why they sometimes work and sometimes don't. When > > the forwarding rules stop working, a server restart is the > > only thing that fixes it. I'm really beginning to hate PFs. > > When I went to MEC2000, in one of the classes, they said that > > in E2K, you'd be able to change permissions on PFs without > > replacing permissions - what happened to that? Wouldn't that > > be helpful when you have thousands of PFs? I know, PFAdmin, > > which may or may not work correctly. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Webb, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 5:36 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: IPM.Post VS. IPM.Note > > > > > > The line is that it was actually broken in 5.5 and they > > "fixed" it in E2K. > > > > Why there can't be a choice between Post type public folders > > and Note (email message) type public folders I don't > > understand. Actually I do - $$$. There /could/ be a choice > > if enough people griped about it. At this point, E2K3 is > > pretty much in the can and so it won't change much there. > > > > Since anything "collaborative" about public folders seems > > headed toward Sharepoint databases, there's probably not much > > harm in making PF's actually do mail correctly going forward. > > > > > > ======================================== > > ERM (Exchange Resource Manager) Released http://www.swinc.com/erm > > ======================================== > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joshua R. Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Posted At: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:31 PM > > Posted To: Microsoft Exchange > > Conversation: IPM.Post VS. IPM.Note > > Subject: RE: IPM.Post VS. IPM.Note > > > > Question then.... Why did they change the functionality? > > It worked > > in 5.5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joshua Morgan > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:16 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: IPM.Post VS. IPM.Note > > > > > > 1. The script (which is a slightly modified version of > > http://www.cdolive.com/changemessageclass.htm) your co-worker > > found is designed for the Exchange Event Service which is > > only provided in Exchange 2000/2003 for backwards > > compatibility and I would not recommend using it with > > Exchange 2000/2003 due to being not reliable. 2. The issue > > you are facing not being able to reply to public folder > > messages will neither be fixed with KB817809 nor the script > > you mentioned or the one Andy Webb pointed you to. This is a > > limitation of Outlook Web Access 2000. > > > > <Cheers:Siegfried runat="server" /> > > > > Development Lead, > > > > CDOLive LLC - The Microsoft Messaging and Collaboration > > Application Experts http://www.cdolive.com > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Joshua R. Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:58 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: IPM.Post VS. IPM.Note > > > > > > > > > Windows 2000 SP3 > > > Exchange 2000 SP3 > > > > > > Looks like Microsoft released this yesterday. > > > http://support.microsoft.com/?id=817809 > > > > > > Has anybody had any experience with this issue? We see it > > because we > > > are unable to reply or forward a message in a Public Folder > > when it is > > > > > accessed through OWA. I was wondering if anyone had any > workarounds > > > until the SP is released, currently I am troubleshooting > > issues with > > > this Script that a coworker of mine found online. > > > > > http://www.netcomitc.com/post2note/esa.htm > > > > All help is appreciated, > > Joshua > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joshua Morgan > > Method IQ > > Senior Network Engineer > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Web Interface: > > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t > ext_mode=& > lang=english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t > ext_mode=& > lang=english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t ext_mode=& lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
