So, did you have a point? (aside from "I'm right, you're wrong. If I say it enough times, you *will* understand"?)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Deckler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 21:43 PM Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 > I will state this again for the 11 millionth and 1 time now. Accepting > direct gifts from third parties, especially significant gifts such as > large dollar items and titles, presents a real or perceived conflict of > interest between an IT professional's client (either the customer or > company that he or she works for) and that third party. > > This is the most very basic definition of conflict of interest. One cannot > serve two masters. If you have been given something, and ESPECIALLY if it > is something significant that can be taken away, then it presents a > conflict of interest. This, from an ethical, perspective is wrong. > > This is the logic and the conclusion. It is as simple as that. It is not > only what I believe but WHY I believe it. If someone can prove to me that > this argument is illogical or flawed in some way, then I would believe > something else. I am not close-minded or stubborn. Thus far, nobody has > proven this argument to be flawed in any way. A lot of personal attacks, I > have been called a wife beater, a liar and someone who starves children, > but no one has refuted this most basic argument. I have never wavered from > this argument, this has been the argument since the beginning that this > all started. This is why companies tell their employees that they must > send back gifts in excess of a certain dollar amount. This is BASIC > ETHICS. > > Regardless of whether MCSE is unethical or whatever crazy argument you > want to throw at it, this is basic ethics people. If you want to change my > mind, then prove the above argument false. Simple as that. > > Now, I don't bring this stuff up. All it causes is this kind of craziness. > Other people bring this stuff up. Exactly why is a mystery to me. Look at > the subject of this message thread for Christ's sake. Are you kidding me? > And it is not like I even threw in one of my whimsical Microsoft barbs. If > someone is going to bring this stuff up, I am always, ALWAYS going to > stick to this perspective and explain things the way I see them. Nobody > has proven this logic wrong in 8 years. But, hey, I'm willing to think > that someone might. There may be a flaw in there somewhere, that I do not > see. > > And all this nonsense about "tone" and stating things as "my opinion" is > all crap, a waste of bytes and besides the point. People read what they > want to read in my posts, plain and simple. What is straight talk to one > person is rude to another. What is polite to one is rambling, annoying and > pointless to another. There are way too many people in this world to try > to please so I speak in my own voice. It is a matter of fact voice that > sticks to known facts and logic. If you are offended by my posts, well, > there is not much I can do. I am not going to worry over every word and > sentence for perfect structure and politeness. I simply do not have the > time. > > > First of all, from a grammatical point-of-view, you only need to state that > > it is your opinion at the beginning of a paragraph or passage because it is > > fundamentally understood that follows the first phrase or sentence further > > backs up your opinion. > > > > It is my opinion that you are more worried about reveling in your moral and > > symantec righteousness than achieving the mental clarity to realize that > > your 1200 word marathon responses make you look like a total prat. But that > > is just my opinion. > > > > Disagreement is a necessary part of life and the human condition. If we all > > got along, we'd all think the same way and life would get very dull. You > > can disagree with someone (even with Ed) without saying they are wrong. > > This is the difference between stating a fact vs. opinion. By saying that > > someone is wrong, you are implying that you are correct and your reasons are > > based upon fact or accepted truth. > > > > Allrightythen! I guess this means that we aren't due to bring this topic up > > until June. Thanks for the comic relief, Greg! > > > > Eric Fretz > > > > L-3 Communications > > ComCept Division > > 2800 Discovery Blvd. > > Rockwall, TX 75032 > > tel: 972.772.7501 > > fax: 972.772.7510 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:50 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 > > > > > > In my opinion, there are those with the opinion that stating anything as a > > fact and not an opinion is abrasive and rude. In my opinion, this opinion is > > absurd because it is fundamentally understood that anything that comes out > > of anyone's mouth is simply an opinion and not a fact. In my opinion, there > > may be some people with the opinion that people should not go around stating > > their opinions. But, in my opinion, everyone has opinions and it gets rather > > monotonous and boring to keep stating "in my opinion" all the time when, in > > my opinion, it should be understood that everything is an opinion. > > > > In my opinion, people have opinions about lots of things that they consider > > facts. In my opinion, there are many that hold the opinion that the earth is > > round. But, in my opinion, this is simply an opinion as, in my opinion, > > there are others that hold the opinion that the earth is flat. In my > > opinion, this all depends on your opinion of the words "earth", "round" and > > "flat". In my opinion, if, in your opinion, the word "round" refers to a > > 2-dimensional circular object, then, in my opinion, your opinion would be > > that the earth is not round since, in my opinion, your opinion would be that > > the earth would be a sphere, and not round. Of couse, in my opinion, if your > > opinion was that a sphere is perfectly symmetrical such that all points on > > its surface are equal distance from its center, then, in my opinion, your > > opinion about the earth being a sphere might be wrong since, in my opinion, > > there are those that hold the opinion that the earth is not a perfect sphere > > but is actually a bit elliptical in shape. In addition, in my opinion, there > > are elevation variations on the surface of the earth as well which would > > mean that, in my opinion, the earth does not meet the definition of a sphere > > if your opinion is that a sphere means that all points on the surface of a > > 3-d object are equal distance from its center. > > > > Now, of course, in my opinion, this is all just my opinion. But, in my > > opinion, the bigger concern here is that, in your opinion, are you happy > > now? > > > > > I was not arguing with you about the symantics between fact & opinion, > > > just rather pointing out that you tend to assert your opinions as > > > fact. That is a very abrasive personality trait and probably explains > > > why the discussion list has reacted to you the way that they have. > > > > > > Eric Fretz > > > > > > L-3 Communications > > > ComCept Division > > > 2800 Discovery Blvd. > > > Rockwall, TX 75032 > > > tel: 972.772.7501 > > > fax: 972.772.7510 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Web Interface: > > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang > > =english > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
