Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list.
> You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You should have asked > them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some brain cells to operate > with... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:20 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 > > Titles are priceless. > > Ethics are about avoiding real and *perceived* conflicts of interest. If you > work in an industry and accept gifts from vendors in that industry, it is > always going to at least be a perceived conflict of interest. Whether it > actually is or not is absolutely irrelevant. If you own your own business > and provide consulting on how to build bridges, then no, an MVP title would > not be a real or perceived conflict of interest. If you are in IT, it is. > > > > Kindly define "significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles". > > Where, exactly is your threshold? Let's get down to specifics, Greg. > > > > How is it a conflict of interest when it is my job to provide > > consulting services surrounding Microsoft products? It is not my job, > > for example, to steer people away from Windows to Linux. > > > > Why can one not serve two masters, particularly if the two masters' > > directions are complementary? Still, your entire point is flawed > > since neither Microsoft nor the MVP program is my master, and neither > > ask anything of me, period. (I take that back--they do ask one thing, > > that we behave in the forums. If you claim that's a conflict of > > interest, it will further confirm my belief that you've lost it.) The > > MVP award is a "thank you", if you will, for past service. Not once > > has anyone directed me to do a single thing. > > > > Again, for 11,000,001st time, you have failed to adequately explain > > how there is any conflict of interest between my being an MVP and what > > my employer asks me to do. Microsoft gives MVPs a modest non-monetary > > award for their work doing peer support. It's right there, disclosed > > in the MVP website, as I told you before. Personally, I provide this > > peer support service on my own personal time, not my employer's, and of my > own free will. > > My employer pays me to perform consulting on Microsoft Exchange, > > Windows and various other complementary technologies to its customers. > > Most other MVPs are either consultants or Exchange administrators. We > > answer technical questions and try to help people with their technical > > problems. We do not sell Microsoft products. Whatever we say we > > believe. Where is the conflict of interest, pray tell? > > > > I cannot recall ever having been encouraged to evangelize Microsoft's > > products because I am an MVP. Personally, I don't hesitate to express > > my opinions about Exchange even if the good folks at Microsoft > > disagree with me. Many others who have been MVPs longer that I are even > more forthcoming. > > Please demonstrate exactly what the conflict of interest is and its > > insidious result, Mr. Deckler. How, exactly, has the MVP program > > caused such an ethical dilemma that you must rant and rave over it? > > Let's get specific, though, because your 50,000-foot view is rather > unconvincing. > > > > For the record, my employer knows I am an MVP, knows that I receive a > > modest gift of appreciation, and has no problem with this. So my > > employer, which happens to be a very ethical company, has no problem with > this arrangement. > > Why should you? > > > > It is mighty judgmental of you to presume that any person is > > unprofessional solely because he does not adhere to your personal > standards of ethics. > > Your opinion implies that because you define there to be a conflict of > > interest, no reasonable person can decide for himself to the contrary. > > That is, you see yourself as the sole arbiter of professional ethics > > in this field. Clearly you believe that MVPs are unprofessional > > because they do not adhere to your standards of ethics, even if those > > standards are undefined and based solely upon your own simplistic idea > > of standards, your own ignorance, your logical fallacies, and your > > personal prejudices. As long as you espouse such ridiculous ideas, I will > call you on them. > > > > You've been spewing this bile for eight years and you know you're > > right because, to paraphrase, nobody has proven you wrong. The real > > problem is that you haven't convinced anyone other than yourself that > you're right. > > You are the one with the opinions. But wait--you say you deal in > > facts. In an eariler post, you state that it should be obvious that > > everything you say is your opinion. Which is it, fact or opinion? > > Well, I will argue that you don't deal in facts, you're all about > > opinion, so don't go claiming it's all about "known facts". There > > isn't a single fact in your diatribe except for those that say or > > imply, "I believe...". I do agree that it's a fact that you believe some > ridiculous point. > > > > People do read what you say in your posts, as opposed to reading what > > they read. Everyone recognizes that you are speaking with your own > > voice. It's obvious to all that you really believe what you say and > > have a firm conviction. That's how they know for certain that you're a > bag of gas. > > > > As to this thread being a waste of bytes, it has been your choice to > > continue it. It seems hypocritical that you post a complaint that > > everyone else is wasting their time and bandwidth, when you yourself > > are guilty of just that by posting such messages. > > > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP > > Freelance E-Mail Philosopher > > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T > > _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
