I already asked for that!! He chose NOT to respond... ;o) -----Original Message----- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 1:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
OK, I can be childish as well. You PROVE it. Prove to me that accepting gifts from vendors and then turning around to clients and providing information and services about and from those vendors is NOT a real or perceived conflict of interest. You prove that false. > Prove it. It is your opinion, not a fact. Everything you cite is > made up in your own mind. > > Again, you are mixing up fact and opinion. What you believe is not > necessarily what is true. That appears to be especially true in that > special place known as Deckler-Land. > > By the way, surrounding your claimed invitation to be an MVP, who > invited you and when? I don't recall you ever offering much positive > peer support in the forums, but I do recall that you were considered > to be a heckler way back before Exchange was even a product with a > SKU. I find it hard to believe that you would ever have been welcomed > as an MVP. Care to prove this assertion as well? > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP > Freelance E-Mail Philosopher > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:10 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics > > You can be offended all you want, it does not change the FACT that > accepting a direct gift from a vendor creates an obvious problem with > basic conflict of interest rules. I don't make these rules up all I > have stated is that a real or perceived conflict exists. If the > argument held no water, then there would be no reason to be offended. > > > It's not exactly a gift. It's a recognition for a contribution pefrormed. > > There are, admittedly, strings attached, although there are none > > that I consider to be ethical issues. > > > > I completely resent your entire assertion that I am somehow > > unethical because I accept the title and gifts associated with being > > an MVP. I will defend my standards of ethics against anyone's, > > including your poorly defined and indefensible set. In fact, I was > > nearly fired from my current job because I defended ethical > > behavior, but the system worked and I am still here. (This was > > completely unrelated to anything surrounding Microsoft or MVP.) > > > > So, let's get back to the real argument. Please either (1) prove > > how being an MVP is unethical, or (2) go away and let this thread > > rest. I tire of your repeated extrapolations, digressions, and > > less-than-brilliant treatises. > > > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP > > Freelance E-Mail Philosopher > > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg > > Deckler > > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:51 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics > > > > The flaw here is that that "Cisco Certified" has clearly defined > > things that must be met and requires a payment to the vendor to > > achieve. You must PAY to get the required material. You must PAY to > > take the tests. You must PAY for the certification. > > > > MVP is a gift. There are no explicit requirements and there is no > > exchange of currency. > > > > This is the CLEAR difference between certifications and gifts like MVP. > > > > > Titles based on criteria that has been successfully met, as in MVP > > > or Cisco Certified, etc., has no ethical issues. It is an earned > > > title that denotes an area of expertise. It is up to those who > > > view the title to determine if the criteria for getting the title > > > warrants a level of trust and respect. > > > > > > Personal gifts from vendors that you make purchasing decisions > > > regarding is unethical. > > > > > > Rules of ethics are necessary in this business. > > > > > > Ceaselessly arguing in order to have the last word is poor use of > > > brain power, poor use of this list and poor use of ethics. Anyone > > > whose priority is to *always* win the "fight" must sacrifice the > > > truth and good judgment, thereby violating basic ethics. > > > > > > Just another opinion :-) > > > > > > Best Regards,=20 > > > > > > Dan Bartley > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:24 > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics > > > > > > I got to the first paragraph in your post and pretty much quit > > > reading.=20 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Web Interface: > > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mo > > de > > =&lang > > =english > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode > =&lang > =english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
