Greg-- SHUT UP!!!!!

Why are you making this your personal agenda.



-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:59 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics

Um, yes it DOES make it unethical. You are accepting a direct gift from a
vendor and then turning around and supposedly giving unbiased technical
advice to a client. That is the definition of "real or perceived conflict
of interest". It does not mean that you WILL act unethically, but it is
OBVIOUSLY a breach of ethical conduct and conflict of interest rules.

> Sort of. There are no well documented criteria that you apply for and
> then meet, there are informal criteria that leads to an invitation.=20
> 
> As I said, others must decide whether the criteria meet the expertise
> they are looking for. That does not make it unethical, as you know.
> 
> I seriously doubt any customer will give you a blank check simply based
> on being an MVP, but I know I can have a higher degree of trust for the
> info (usually) a MVP provides in lists like this.
> 
> Best Regards,=20
> 
> Dan Bartley
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:42
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
> 
> Just so that the record is set straight and Deckler doesn't feel the
> need to
> write a 2,000-word response to this technical inaccuracy, the title of
> MVP
> isn't awarded based set standards.  It's rather subjective, I must
> confess.
> 
> Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
> Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
> Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Bartley
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:36 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
> 
> Titles based on criteria that has been successfully met, as in MVP or
> Cisco
> Certified, etc., has no ethical issues. It is an earned title that
> denotes
> an area of expertise. It is up to those who view the title to determine
> if
> the criteria for getting the title warrants a level of trust and
> respect.
> 
> Personal gifts from vendors that you make purchasing decisions regarding
> is
> unethical.
> 
> Rules of ethics are necessary in this business.
> 
> Ceaselessly arguing in order to have the last word is poor use of brain
> power, poor use of this list and poor use of ethics. Anyone whose
> priority
> is to *always* win the "fight" must sacrifice the truth and good
> judgment,
> thereby violating basic ethics.
> 
> Just another opinion :-)
> 
> Best Regards,=20
> 
> Dan Bartley
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:24
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
> 
> I got to the first paragraph in your post and pretty much quit reading.=20
> 
> 
> 
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