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-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:52 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
I didn't say MCSE's don't know their shit. I am an MCSE and I most
certainly know my shit. It's the paper one's that don't know shit (e.g. the
ones with the cert and no background to speak of).
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:43 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Jeez, there just is such extreme bias out there. Why can't people just be
objective and look at things the way they really are? Instead we enjoy
lumping a group of people together, then stereotyping. Suffice it to say,
there are MCSE's who know less than non-MCSE's and MCSE's that know more. It
all depends on who you get. If you do your job interviewing the candidate,
shouldn't even be an issue. To say that all MCSE's don't know $hit is
asinine.
Yes, I have met many MCSE's who didn't know their a$$ from a hole in the
ground but I have met several who knew their stuff as well.
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Carpenter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:38 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Agreed that many MCSEs are paper, and worthless, but cert is still
valuable, especially those in other areas. If you can prove your worth AND
have the title, I think it is worthwhile.
BTW I have an acquaintance who is a lawyer who "decided" to get his
MCSE. He got it in 6 months, and then tried to get a job. He is still
looking 1.5 years later. I started looking at the same time (I was an MCP at
the time I believe) and was hired within a month. Experience should always
be top priority. I would not hire him to install an OS on a WS, much less
plug in all the color coded wires (because, you know, now they color code
all the keyboard and...oh nevermind.
PS He is a suck a$$ lawyer too
-----Original Message-----
From: Majetic, John RAME [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:14 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
For about 6 months I had the pleasure of working with a MCSE that
didn't know how to install a printer on a windows box! He would format hard
drives, and then asked me where all the users files went, and how did he get
them back?!!!! That was when I decided that MCSEs are only good for fooling
clueless CIOs like my boss.
There is one good use for them, and that is comic relief when doing
interviews.
I would ask them What DHCP was. they would respond with "Dynamic
Host Configuration Protocol", and claim they were experts, and knew
everything about it. I would then ask them very detailed questions, like how
do you configure it to hand out a WINS server address, and what is the scope
in DHCP? It was great fun watching them squirm. Try it sometime.
PS The guy who got the job was the guy who said I don't know to the
most questions, didn't have any certs, and he is working out great.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert
instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself
certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't
know their a$$ from a hole in the ground.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bunting, Jeff [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
someone leave their sense of humor at home today?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
You can keep thinking that... Just pray you never apply for a job
that I'm hiring for.
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some
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-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Carpenter [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE
certified. Sheesh
-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites. We actually use real
world knowledge that we've learned over the years...
-----Original Message-----
From: Precht, David [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
what cram site did you guys use ;) ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Green [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
I got him certified in UCC+WCA.
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Carpenter [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AM
Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server
Conversation: For Kevin Miller
Subject: For Kevin Miller
Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your
name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can
not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look)
TIA
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