Wait til HP lays off the 10-15,000.
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From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:21 AM
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He's right, that is the market today. Which, if you are an IT individual
really sucks. I have talked with recruiters and they salaries overall
are down 25%. I don't think the market will really ever pick back up to
the point that it was. It is now too flooded with IT wannabes with
dollar signs in their eyes.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Zorz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:11 AM
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Not that I've seen. Right now, they want certs, and they want
experience, and they want to pay as little as possible. And
they'll be
able to find that person. I've talked to a couple of recruiters
who are
seeing resumes from IT folks formerly making $70-$80k applying
for $40k
jobs. DHL announced they were opening an IT center out here,
and
supposedly got about 5 thousand resumes for about 50 positions.
Yesterday I heard from someone that had over 700 resumes for a
position.
Some company that is apparently doing a very large w2k migration
has
been rejecting experienced NT4-w2k migration people with certs
because
they hadn't worked on "large enough" migrations.
Someday, the economy will come back, and all the underpaid folks
will
jump to better paying jobs.
-----Original Message-----
From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD)
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Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:38 AM
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Do hiring people still talk about the "T" shape candidate. This
doesn't
refer to their physical shape although I guess it might. It
refers to
the fact that mostly recruiters want a guy with a broad
experience of
different technologies with in-depth knowledge of one or maybe
two
technologies.
Just wundrin' coz it was all the rage when I left college (but
that was
some time ago now!).
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 June 2002 14:35
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Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
Definitely agree on the market plays a factor, no question...but
overall
a kid coming out of school expecting to make that amount is a
bit
ridiculous
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Carpenter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:25 AM
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Earlier someone mentioned a story about a kid saying
that 60-90K
was too low for OCPs, and he thought the kid was naive. Although
I do
agree that many kids go in with much higher $$ thoughts these
days,
instead of the love of protocols (JK), I don't think that 60-90K
is all
that high either. It all depends on your market, experience, and
abilities. Market is a huge factor. I was offered a job that
paid 3
times what I make here, simply due to market differences. Keep
in mind
that I make about $4.25/hour here on the Tex-Mex border
though...jk
-----Original Message-----
From: Schwartz, Jim
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Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:20 AM
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He was an IBM Global Services guy and knew Cobol
like he
wrote the language. During Y2K, they would pay anyone who could
write
code some serious cake. The reason that the CIO's and CTO's make
the
$300k - $600k kind of money is due to all the medical care they
need to
have after having the lobotomy and spine removal surgeries.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:56 PM
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Well, where are these high paying jobs
at.
I'm
underpaid! I want some of that "cheese"! :o)
-----Original Message-----
From: Schwartz, Jim
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
5:08
PM
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Like I said. I've seen contracts
for
a
whole
hell of a lot more than that. I think the largest I've seen was
$525 an
hour plus expenses. If you were talking salary then 150hr x
hours x 52
weeks = $312,000.00. Add in about 45% for benefits and taxes =
$452,400.00 in salary costs. Not worth that. No offense to Don
or anyone
else.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mal Sasalu
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
4:53
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I am not cheap. I wasn't talking
about
Don's
worth. I was talking about your authority to hire him or
somebody like
him.
-----Original Message-----
From: Schwartz, Jim
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:41
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You're cheap. [1] [2]
[1] Chorus: But not easy!
[2] For someone like Don, who I
KNOW
has
the
experience $150 an hour would be a bargain.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
3:58
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Something wrong with charging
$150
an
hour?
That's my usual going rate... :o)
-----Original Message-----
From: Mal Sasalu
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
3:40
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Then you must be having
authority to
pay
$150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will be charging
:-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Schwartz, Jim
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:10
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And those of us with hiring
authority do
make it a practice to look into these lists and decide who is an
idiot,
who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to fix broke
a$$ sh!t.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:42
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I have a great sense of humour
provided
someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a
test,
and calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there
and
those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the
ground.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bunting, Jeff
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:39
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someone leave their sense of
humor
at
home
today?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:29
PM
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You can keep thinking that...
Just
pray
you
never apply for a job that I'm hiring for.
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then
some
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-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Carpenter
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
2:11
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It never matters HOW you get
certified,
as
long as you ARE certified. Sheesh
-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
12:56
PM
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Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
We, unlike you, didn't/don't use
CRAM
sites.
We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the
years...
-----Original Message-----
From: Precht, David
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
1:58
PM
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Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
what cram site did you guys use
;) ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Green
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002
13:09
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Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
I got him certified in UCC+WCA.
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Carpenter
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Posted At: Wednesday, June 05,
2002
10:08 AM
Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server
Conversation: For Kevin Miller
Subject: For Kevin Miller
Would you mind enlightening us
on
what
all
that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the
"certified"
world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in
Google. (I
had 2 minutes to spare to look)
TIA
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