Definitely agree on the market plays a factor, no question...but overall a
kid coming out of school expecting to make that amount is a bit ridiculous
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Carpenter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:25 AM
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Earlier someone mentioned a story about a kid saying that 60-90K was
too low for OCPs, and he thought the kid was naive. Although I do agree that
many kids go in with much higher $$ thoughts these days, instead of the love
of protocols (JK), I don't think that 60-90K is all that high either. It all
depends on your market, experience, and abilities. Market is a huge factor.
I was offered a job that paid 3 times what I make here, simply due to market
differences. Keep in mind that I make about $4.25/hour here on the Tex-Mex
border though...jk
-----Original Message-----
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:20 AM
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He was an IBM Global Services guy and knew Cobol like he
wrote the language. During Y2K, they would pay anyone who could write code
some serious cake. The reason that the CIO's and CTO's make the $300k -
$600k kind of money is due to all the medical care they need to have after
having the lobotomy and spine removal surgeries.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:56 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
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Well, where are these high paying jobs at. I'm
underpaid! I want some of that "cheese"! :o)
-----Original Message-----
From: Schwartz, Jim
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:08 PM
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Like I said. I've seen contracts for a whole
hell of a lot more than that. I think the largest I've seen was $525 an hour
plus expenses. If you were talking salary then 150hr x hours x 52 weeks =
$312,000.00. Add in about 45% for benefits and taxes = $452,400.00 in salary
costs. Not worth that. No offense to Don or anyone else.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53 PM
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I am not cheap. I wasn't talking about Don's
worth. I was talking about your authority to hire him or somebody like him.
-----Original Message-----
From: Schwartz, Jim
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:41 PM
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You're cheap. [1] [2]
[1] Chorus: But not easy!
[2] For someone like Don, who I KNOW has the
experience $150 an hour would be a bargain.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:58 PM
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Something wrong with charging $150 an hour?
That's my usual going rate... :o)
-----Original Message-----
From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40 PM
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Then you must be having authority to pay
$150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will be charging :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Schwartz, Jim
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10 PM
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And those of us with hiring authority do
make it a practice to look into these lists and decide who is an idiot, who
is new and trying to learn and who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM
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I have a great sense of humour provided
someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and
calling yourself certified. Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper
MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bunting, Jeff
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM
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someone leave their sense of humor at home
today?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM
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You can keep thinking that... Just pray you
never apply for a job that I'm hiring for.
Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some
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-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Carpenter
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM
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Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
It never matters HOW you get certified, as
long as you ARE certified. Sheesh
-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM
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Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites.
We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years...
-----Original Message-----
From: Precht, David
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM
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Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
what cram site did you guys use ;) ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller
I got him certified in UCC+WCA.
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Carpenter
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Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AM
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Conversation: For Kevin Miller
Subject: For Kevin Miller
Would you mind enlightening us on what all
that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world,
or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2
minutes to spare to look)
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