Your wife finally convinced you to wax your back? On Dec 26, 2007 6:18 PM, Martin Blackstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > BareBack? > > > > *From:* Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 26, 2007 6:01 PM > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Blackberry question > > > > > Hmmmm... BB is looking better and better.... :) > > On Dec 26, 2007 3:20 PM, Don Andrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Very good points – and this guy who can't charge his phone can only be a > manager (I seem to recall something called the peter principal). > > > > The main reason we stick with BES is that it does all its functionality > via a single outbound connection from the server to the RIM network where WM > devices need even increasing exposure of your internal environment to the > internet (mail, IM, web servers etc.) as WM devices are raw internet > connections – BB connects from the carrier to RIM's network, then over the > previously mentioned server initiated connection. > > > > And I agree the curve is nice – however I needed both GPS and WiFi so I > just got an 8820 – 'bout ¼ inch taller and wider but otherwise much the > same. > > > > Don > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Don Ely [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:54 PM > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Blackberry question > > > > > > My point is that the decision must be made based on your needs for > adminsitration, manageability, security, etc... All of the mobility vendors > out there serve various needs, some do it better than others... EAS isn't > nearly as far along as Blackberry, on the other hand it does work and the > fact that you're having trouble with your users because they cannot charge > their phone is neither a slight on EAS or a win for BES. That would be the > fault of the phone manufacturers... And quite frankly, if they can't keep > their phone charged, maybe they don't need one... > > > > Never the less, I like EAS and I like BES. I like the new Curve so much > that I may replace my 6700 with one when its time. Then again, there may be > a real cool WM device out by then that I want... > > On Dec 26, 2007 2:45 PM, Joe Heaton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Ok Don, you're starting to confuse me. On one hand, you're telling me > that BB is good, and worth it, and then you make some of these comments. By > the way, aren't remote wipes possible with the WM6? > > > > *From:* Don Ely [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:41 PM > > > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Blackberry question > > > > > Inline.... > > On Dec 26, 2007 2:38 PM, Davies,Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > This may be the start of another WM vs Blackberry Rant J > > > > Having used a blackberry since there were first released, there is only > one choice. If you look how blackberry has evolved over the last 6 years, > from my opinion MS and the WM devices manufactures are way behind on the > curve. > > As are all mobile players not just MS > > On a regular basis I test new devices as they come on to the market, and > so far as yet none of the WM devices come close to the user experience of a > Blackberry, both in simplicity to use and stability. Battery life on WM > devices sucks compared to any blackberry. > > Crackberries are for stupid people. WM are very useful to more savvy > individuals. > > As for Manageability, the ability to blank devices remotely as long as > they have a network connection is fantastic, and the control that the > administrator has over the device is second to none, and is simple and easy > to implement. > > Remote wipes are easily done with other vendors... > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* 26 December 2007 22:19 > > > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject: *RE: Blackberry question > > > > > > Well, we only have about 15 WM users, and only 2 users that are asking > about BB atm. My understanding is that the two services are similar. Is BB > really that much more bulletproof/stable, etc? > > > > *From:* Martin Blackstone [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:18 PM > *To: *MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Blackberry question > > > > > > I have no idea how many WM users you have now, but once you open the BB > floodgate, you might get overrun. > > > > *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:11 PM > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Blackberry question > > > > > > But then if you go to the actual Express page, you see this part: > > > > *What's Included? * > > - One free BlackBerry Enterprise Server Express – Small Business > Edition v4.1 for Microsoft(R) Exchange, IBM(R) Lotus(R) Domino(R) or > Novell(R) > GroupWise(R) > - One user included, expandable to 15 users (at additional cost) > <<<<<<<<<<< > > > > > > *From:* Don Ely [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:05 PM > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Blackberry question > > > > > > Express only covers a single user... > > > > > > > On Dec 26, 2007 1:59 PM, Joe Heaton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > We currently use Windows Mobile devices, connecting directly to our > Exchange server. Unfortunately, the Moto Q phones we purchased for our new > Executive Director, and Assistant Director, have had charging issues, as in > they wouldn't take a charge when plugged in. It is possible, also, that the > Director has no clue how to charge his phone, but I hope that scenario is > unlikely. > > > > Anyway, I guess at his previous employment, they used Blackberry devices, > and he's starting to question why we don't use Blackberry here. I explained > to him that in an enterprise situation, we would need to have a separate > server for Blackberry, and we would also need to purchase the server > software. Also, no one in IT has had experience managing this type of > solution, so there would be a learning curve for us. He also asked the same > type of questions of another IT guy, so I think he's going to be going to > our manager and pushing to implement a Blackberry solution. Which finally > brings me to my question here. > > > > I've looked at the Blackberry website, and I see two versions of the BES > software. The Express, and the regular. What's the difference between the > two? If I only have a handful of users, would it be better to get the > Express version, which has no cost? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joe Heaton > > AISA > > Employment Training Panel > > 1100 J Street, 4th Floor > > Sacramento, CA 95814 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Sunbelt Messaging Ninja with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm> ~
