Agreed, Our office has a bunch of berries that were rushed in by the CEO a few years ago. He loves it, so we keep them and they work well but I'm going to have him try a Windows mobile device and explain the cost benefit
Pete Howard | Systems Engineer MCSE 3.51-2003 | ESX VCP *EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ---- From: Matt Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues <exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:40:02 PM Subject: RE: Blackberry, or something else? I'm with you! Our office has a BES and a bunch of berries but I hold out!!!!! One less point of failure. Die berry die. Although when a user goes swimming with their trusty berry the sticker shock is a sight to behold. =) M -----Original Message----- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry, or something else? Bah humbug. I drink the Windows Mobile kool-aid instead of the BES kool-aid. Just make sure your devices are WM 6.1. :-) (I just had to throw in an opposing opinion.) Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:51 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Blackberry, or something else? Interesting. So it would seem that BES uses SQL as a backend for Exchange integration. The latency for our AU and UK offices is pretty consistently between 100-200ms, with regular spikes to above 500ms. That could prove interesting. Kurt On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Barsodi.John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To add, I'm a huge BES fan as well. > > I have 7 BES servers worldwide...including the countries you have offices in. You need to keep your BES server as close to your Exchange server as possible, which would make sharing SQL difficult as Don suggested. You'll run into worker thread errors if you have high latency between BES & Exchange. I've gotten RIM support to confirm up to 300ms max, ideally nothing over 35ms. > > - John Barsodi > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 6:11 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Blackberry, or something else? > > Your mantra is spot on! > > I'll say up front that I'm a BES fan. The only limiting factor I can think of is that in order to manage the whole environment as one is the need to share a SQL database across all your BES'. I'd think a sales support type could assist with some recommendations, trade offs etc. > > --------------------------------- > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kurt Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues <exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > Sent: Wed Sep 03 18:51:46 2008 > Subject: Re: Blackberry, or something else? > > Yes, I'm all over the policy thing. Fortunately, I haven't yet set up > OMA/ActiveSynch/IMAP-over-SSL/whatever, and the migration from > Exchange 5.5 cut off the IMAP and POP for everyone - by design! - so > there has been some howling about that. > > I'm now almost ready to throw the bone to the crowd, but I want it to > be the right bone in the right way. > > Centrally managed on company-issued devices only - that's my mantra. I > want the data secure both in transit and at rest. > > Kurt > > On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Troy Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hey Kurt, >> >> Any set of devices might work for you, if you guys have money, go with Blackberry and BES because its got a nice central management for what you are looking for. >> >> I would say put more effort into shaping policy than worrying about phones. We made that mistake about 2 years ago and found ourselves with 3 mobile mail solutions (activesync, goodlink, BES) and phones from all sorts of vendors and providers and it's a support nightmare. (try telling the one exec using a Palm 600 he needs to upgrade or move to a blackberry). I also wish we had set policy in the beginning regarding security and encryption because its always harder retroactively. >> >> Note: I was not employed here during original implementation, but would have loved to be in your position to consider all of the policy side before implementation. >> >> -troy >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:54 PM >> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >> Subject: Blackberry, or something else? >> >> All, >> >> I'm getting a lot of pressure to get mobile devices to users in our >> US, UK and AU offices. As you might imagine, the sales staff in the AU >> and UK offices travel internationally quite a bit, so I have to think >> beyond the boundaries of those countries, into Europe and Asia. Sales >> and other mobile staff would total perhaps 50-75 people worldwide. >> >> We have E2k3 servers in each office, but I want central control - the >> ability to remote kill and otherwise manage this, if possible. >> >> What have been your experiences - and what would you recommend? >> >> I haven't worked with Blackberry or anything else mobile for Exchange >> before, so am more than a bit uncertain about this, especially the >> risk to company data on these things floating around. >> >> Any help much appreciated. >> >> Kurt >> >> ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ >> ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ >> >> ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ >> ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ >> > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ > ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ > > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ > ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ > ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~
