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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:05 AM, James Rankin <kz2...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> I used to work *for *a major outsourcer, and part of taking on new
> contracts was always a major source of hostility and frustration from
> end-users and (particularly) those IT staff who had been "transitioned" into
> our company.We had "business systems managers" being moved into desktop
> support roles which naturally didn't sit with them very well - especially
> when they learned that our Prison Service contract meant they'd be spending
> an inordinate amount of time in jails rather than swanning around office
> blocks as they had done previously. Often staff who used to work for the
> now-outsourced company who attempt to trip you up and withhold knowledge at
> every opportunity to try and protect their little realms, especially those
> who were now seeing their servers and directory services moved to the
> authority of the relevant remote support teams. Obtaining information about
> the intricacies of applications was next to impossible in some cases. The
> removal of administrative access was always a source of great wailing and
> gnashing of teeth.
>
> Having said that, when managed correctly - and not constantly springing the
> cost of "projects" onto the customer that fall outside of normal support -
> I've seen the outsourced model do quite well. It was, however, dependent on
> the quality of the support staff. I've seen some accounts really struggle
> without staff who understood how to try and win the hearts and minds of the
> end-users.
>

>> We went through an aoutsourcing attempt about 3 years ago.  Mandated at
the time by our CEO.  We are a fairly high tech dynamic company, and it was
the above "constantly springing the cost of projects" that we used to kill
the initiative.  From a base support, normal operations perspective, the
outsourcing was a cost saver.  Primarily due to shared services such as tier
1 staff, helpdesk software etc.   So we looked at 5 years of history at
"projects".  With the assumption that our business would remain dynamic, we
priced those projects using the outsources change proposal rates.  Factoring
that in, the 5 year cost of outsourcing was over 2x the cost of maintaining
insourcing.


>
> 2009/10/14 Sherry Abercrombie <saber...@gmail.com>
>
>> Guys and gals,
>>
>> I've returned to college this fall after about 15 years to finally finish
>> up a degree I started on about 25 years ago.  One of my classes this
>> semester is Macro Economics.  Last night my professor gave us an essay
>> question for a test next Monday that is potentially 50% or more of our test
>> grade.  The topic is on outsourcing and I wanted to toss this out for
>> discussion, input, personal experiences etc etc.  The questions I have to
>> answer are:
>>
>> What is the economic justification given for outsourcing?
>>
>
>>> "Cheaper" to go with people/services that is their full time job.  They
"must" know how to do it better.



>  Where is the outsourcing taking place?  (Obviously, I'm focusing on the
>> IT field, specifically technical support)
>>
>
>>> Our initiative was a full scope outsource.  The company would not own
any IT equipment or have IT employees other than a few managers to oversee
the contract.


>  What types of jobs are these workers performing?
>>
>
>>> Full scope.  Procurement, deployment, management, change management,
development



>  What is the benefit to the business?  To foreign workers?
>>
>
>>> Supposedly efficiency, with a return to the business in cost savings.


>
>> I talked with my professor and told her what approach I wanted to take,
>> from the end user perspective, and that I had experienced the tech support
>> being outsourced.  She liked that idea a lot.  Obviously, I will be looking
>> for other news articles to support my essay.  What I'm looking for is
>> thoughts, opinions, personal experiences from an end user perspective, has
>> anyone here been outsourced?  What was that like?  I'm just taking an
>> informal poll from a group of my peers that I know has had personal
>> experience in some way with this subject.
>>
>> Try to keep it on topic, I did get Stu's OK before sending this, so a big
>> Thanks Stu for the use of these lists to help with my exam.
>> --
>> Sherry Abercrombie
>>
>> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
>> Arthur C. Clarke
>> Sent from Haltom City, TX, United States
>
>
>
>
> --
> "On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
> the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
> rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
> a question."
>
> http://raythestray.blogspot.com
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