On 12/15/05, Jason Meers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you need any further help with this or the paper just mail me direct. > I would be happy to take you on a visit of our sites if it helps (based > Manchester UK) > > I have been cursed with Exchange for years and got into Exim whilst
Jason, In all fairness I have been quite surprised by the response up until now i have recieved to the list. It appears that a good number of technical users have almost accepted MS as a computing solution, albeit in a 'it could be worse' or 'its better than it was' sort of a way. I in true matrix fashion, cant see beyond a choice i dont understand... trying to find a way to firstly secure it, then secondly replace it. > > <rant> > The Exchange/Outlook virus factory is the worst lump of software I have > EVER used. The standard version of exchange (also in the small business > versions) are just poison pills that are pre-programed to explode at > 16Gb (Just enough low enough for everyone to hit it, and just high > enough that you can't afford to lose it). > > Without warning your mailserver will stop working and your only > indication of what went wrong is a single 4 digit error code entry in > event viewer AFTER IT HAS HAPPENED. > > You can fix it two ways: > > - get out the double-barreled cheque book and pay the ransom to see your > e-mails again by buying ENTERPRISE versions of your software (knock-on > effect to other licences too). > > - Compact your "databases" to save space (databases, good joke). You > will generally free some space by compacting all of the "empty" space > you have been backing up due the the poor "database" design, but the > majority of space re-claimed will come from all of the messages that > simply vanish or end up completely blank and unusable after the compress > (lose messages = recover space). > > - Edit the registry to use an even more risky one-time "death-row" 17Gb > hack. > > > > Seriously, what kind of person would choose to use: > > - A single microsoft access database to store all company emails in one > place (I wouldn't trust JET to store a shopping list never mind > corporate data and correspondence. Think about it, MS ACCESS to store > everything) > > - An SMTP feature built into the notorious IIS webserver instead of a > real MTA (IIS WILL be accessible from the net even if you don't run a > website because it provides the SMTP service not exchange) > > - A user directory based on the broken LDAP and Kerberos known as > Active Directory (don't even get me started on the endless list of > problems caused by multiple sites and servers in exchange environments) > > - Exchange Security (can I legally use those two words in the same > sentence?) > > Exchange users are forced to use these every day. Keeping Exchange > running is hard - backing it up reliably is impossible in my opinion > without taking the server down and making flat-file backups. > > When looking at TCO the cost of backups will probably cost more than > exchange itself. For every server we had, at least two more were > required for making RELIABLE backups and fixing corrupt mailboxes offline. > > Do yourself a favor and look at Scalix if you MUST run something like > Exchange. I've migrated 4 exchange organizations already with plans for > another 4 next year (and some users didn't even notice and the box is > now good for 50x more users from 100 to 5000). > > see www.scalix.com > </rant> This is what im after... problems / benefits from running exchange in an entreprise. Duly noted i dont remember reading any benefits above... :) I definately would be interseted in learning more about your scenario at Manchester. Ronan Can anybody back me up here, or am I completely wrong about a fantastic > product. > > Before you flame me - ask yourself honestly how many of your Exim > problems relate to viruses, broken MTA's and badly written clients and > then ask yourself what percentage of those problems came along with > Windows\Exchange\Outlook\VBA\Office HTML\Office RTF > > > Thanks > > Jason > > > > > > > >>Ronan Exim wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I need objective pros / cons for exchange in an entrprise > >>>environment that I can along with my colleagues prepare a > >>>document expressing our "concerns" regarding. > >> > > > > > It's been mentioned on this list before, but those interested in > > integrating Exchange and Exim might find Jason Meer's paper on the > > subject of interest. This paper was presented at the first Exim > > conference in February 2005. See: > > > > http://www.uit.co.uk/exim-conference/full-papers/jason-meers.pdf > > -- ## List details at http://www.exim.org/mailman/listinfo/exim-users ## Exim details at http://www.exim.org/ ## Please use the Wiki with this list - http://www.exim.org/eximwiki/