Dear Community,
before the next heart attack I will face in Russia in the nearest future, or before I will jump out of the window because of the authorities, or before the immigration will get rid of myself finally :: I decided to write a book. The title is still free. May be something like "The Country of Miracles", describing all the interesting, funny, crazy and "paranormal", legal, grey, black ::. well, in simply words Russian Situations I faced in this beautiful and challenging Country. I am sure, most of you did it as well. May be the first chapter should the named "Registracia"? May be somebody would like to participate? Interested? Thanks to all! Waldemar >From the Southern Front in Volgograd From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thomas Kiehn Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:00 PM To: [email protected]; The Moscow Expat List Subject: Re: Expat List business visa registration Sergey, That's the sort of thing you find out once you've already accepted employment with a company, unfortunately... The benefits of staying with the company (career opportunities, salary, etc.) can far outweigh the hassle and minor fee of just getting registration done on your own, also legally. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you in principle and will always follow the letter of the law when possible. But in this case, the law says I need to be registered within a certain timeframe. If the entity legally responsible for filing that registration does not seem to be capable of doing so in such a timeframe, then I will follow through and get it done (legally) myself. For those of us with families and a lot of other investments in Russia, it's better off for us not to jeopardize or complicate our comings and goings. My current company has, for the most part, followed through with these things, so I hesitate to beat this dead horse any further, lest it seem I am bad-mouthing any particular company. That's really all I have to say with regards to this topic. Rgds, Thomas 2009/6/17 ElectronintorgMrktg-SergeyOrlov <[email protected]> Thomas, You are right, but why should someone chose to be employed by a company which does not know the rules and leave then that someone alone here? Sincerely, Sergey Orlov, Marketing Director, Electronintorg SP, Tel +7-499-1554635 Tel +7-495-2280766 Fax +7-495-7873869 Mob +7-916-3929803 _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:expat-bounces+elersm <mailto:expat-bounces%2Belersm> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Thomas Kiehn Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:43 AM To: The Moscow Expat List Cc: Kirill Galetski Subject: Re: Expat List business visa registration David, If only it were that simple... Just because you are in Moscow legally does not infer that your company/host necessarily understands its obligations and is willing to jump through the hoops to get this done. As with many things in Russia, you have to either constantly push things through by being a thorn in someone's side until a task is done, or, and this is oftentimes quicker, just do it yourself. What more, even though it is legally their responsibility to register you, if they do not do so, you are the one who gets the headaches, such as if you are stopped by militsia on the street w/o valid registration (only happend to me twice in 6 yrs, but I know others who get stopped regularly), questions upon exiting Russia, questions when applying for next visa, etc. Some companies have streamlined processes and full departments to facilitate this. It sounds like you have been fortunate in your 15 yrs in Moscow, but you are the exception as can be evidenced by many people on the list. Rgds, Thomas 2009/6/16 Бургхардт Дэвид Адам <[email protected]> The question always comes to mind...if you're here legally, then you don't need to go through the hassle. Your company is obliged to register you, not your landlady. I've lived here for 15 years and have never had to do mad searches to live here legally. If you're here on business, then just do it right...it's not the 90s any more folks! David Burghardt -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:expat-bounces+dburghardt <mailto:expat-bounces%2Bdburghardt> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Kirill Galetski Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:35 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Expat List business visa registration Hi Sean, I used to have the same problem all the time when I lived in Russia. I know how it's still a pain in the ass to ask your Russian friends to register you. I've used two different agencies to do registration of a business visa. Visa link were usually pretty good for registering business visas that weren't initiated by them: http://www.visalink-russia.com/ I also used Go to Russia when my visa was not a business visa, but a journalist visa initiated through the foreign ministry press office (which Visalink couldn't register) : http://www.gotorussia.com/about_us_directions.htm Both agencies were reliable in handling the registration, and the fees were 1400 rubles and 1800 rubles respectively when I did it. Could be more now, so check directly with them before you go. Hope this helps. Kirill. Regards, Kirill Galetski, Russian-English, German-English translator. E-mail: [email protected] Home: +49 (0)30 67 92 58 58 Office: +49 (0)30 28 87 58 72 Mobile: +49 (0)152 23 66 68 96 Skype: kirill.galetski http://kirillgaletski.language123.com/ > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 03:02:38 -0700 (PDT) > From: Sean McMeekin <[email protected]> > Subject: Expat List business visa registration? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Does anyone know of an agency which will register a delovaia visa, no questions asked? Last time I was in Moscow (2005) there was some quickie agency which sprung up in the Tsentralnaia gostinitsa on Tverskaya to do this, but apparently this old classic 'hotel' no longer exists. My issuing agency is asking for a landlord declaration, etc., which I cannot really get. > > I can always resort to asking one of several Russian friends to register me personally as a guest at the post office or police, but I would rather not ask for this sort of favor if I don't have to. All I need is for the V'ezd card to be stamped. If anyone knows an agency which will do this, please let me know. Thanks. _______________________________________________ Expat mailing list [email protected] http://www.lists.ru/mailman/listinfo/expat http://www.expat.ru/forum/ _______________________________________________ Expat mailing list [email protected] http://www.lists.ru/mailman/listinfo/expat http://www.expat.ru/forum/ _______________________________________________ Expat mailing list [email protected] http://www.lists.ru/mailman/listinfo/expat http://www.expat.ru/forum/ virus.utilities has scanned this mail for viruses, vandals and suspicious attachments and has found it to be CLEAN. 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