On Wed, 01 May 2002 18:30:52 -0700
Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Wed, 1 May 2002 16:44:48 -0700
> James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Problem is that more and more websites are being created by
> > people who say 90% of the public is using IE so I'll save money
> > by not testing my webpage in other browsers/OS's  
> > 
> > James
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:29:52 -0700
> > Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:23:14 -0400 (EDT)
> > > daRcmaTTeR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Brian wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Some sites are fooled by setting Opera to IE.
> > > > >
> > > > > This kind of junk sure makes one wonder why there are
> > > > > standards and some webmasters choose to ignore them in
> > > > > favor of proprietary junk.
> > > > >
> > > > > If more people complained to these sites then maybe they'd
> > > > > worry about W3C standards.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > I doubt it since part of the standards problem is the junk
> > > > these webmasters are using to code these sites with. I think
> > > > you know what I'm refering to. I can't bring myself to say
> > > > it because speaking the words causes me to break out in
> > > > hives.
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > daRcmaTTeR
> > > > ----------
> > > > Registered Linux User 182496
> > > 
> > > Any even slightly competent webmaster should and does check
> > > his/her pages in several browsers to make sure as much as
> > > possible works or at least doesn't do something totally wrong.
> > >  This is when I usually discover that a certain browser wants
> > >  me to add additional formatting tags to do what most of the
> > >  other browsers are doing.
> > > 
> > > --
> 
> Too bad some of us take our work seriously and want as many people
> as possible to view our efforts while others do just what's needed
> to get by.  I remember when everyone was serious about making a
> site work with as many browsers as possible, and this was done
> without the aid of a program to do the code for you.  Now people
> use something which does some or all of the tag generation and
> complains about how difficult things are.
> 
> 

Truer (and sadder) words have rarely been spoken.  Part of the
problem comes from the fact (IMHO) that the Universities teach
languages and WYSIWYG programs instead of theory and analysis.  This
alone really does make it hard for them because they don't
understand what they are doing and how it relates to the "world"
around them. I don't program but I do manage programmers and it
amazes me how I can see the logic problems that are causing them
fits and they can't. (heavy math background).

James

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